Most of the bigger instances seem to have done this, as it hosts mostly alt right content.
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I’d support that move - they seem pretty ok with extremist content. https://web.archive.org/web/20230627111421/https://exploding-heads.com/post/92139
wigglehard has popped up in a couple of threads I have seen, and has come across as a bit of a dick
racism, bigotry, sexism is allowed
im against trannies
say wtf you want, im not going to ban u broski, unless upu spam post a swasticka mad time
Oh well only if it’s ‘mad time’
‘a bit if a dick’ is certainly one way to put it
Do you know if defederating with an instance stops you seeing posts from their users posted to other instances that we federate with?
Not really sure how users posting on other instances would work?
Yeah because the home instance for the community wouldn’t know or care who we block, so it would have to be blocked at the point we receive the new comment. Probably something to test at some point.
More to learn…
An update, I’ve added the domain to the blocked instances list as there was lots of support for it. No one strongly opposing.
You can see the list of blocked instance (and the ones we federate with) at https://lemmy.nz/instances
Good. I’m all for people blocking to taste but also there’s some stuff that says what kind of community we are.
My general view on defederation was to do so at a time when it becomes a problem. Are people actually seeing content from there? Are users becoming a problem with what lemmy.nz users are seeing? (If you’re from another instance, and the posts are on other instances, we can’t change that).
Remember you can report posts that originate on other instances, we can remove them from our view even if they aren’t removed from the other server (who also get the report). But most importantly, reporting gives us a view on what people don’t want to see.
With that said, I’ve been watching for some time and anticipating needing to block that instance at some point. If that’s what most people want, I’m fine with it. But I’m not aware of any problems specifically for us regarding that instance.
Maybe I’m using Lemmy incorrectly, but I was getting a bunch of spam from the daily caller in my “new” feed, I wasn’t sure how to block it
So first up, if it’s content you think doesn’t belong here (even if it’s on another instance!) then report it using the report button (in menu under post on website, apps will mostly have a way to do it but it will vary by app - feel free to ask in [email protected] for help). I can remove it if I agree, and at the very least it helps me know what people don’t want to see.
If you want to block a community, you can click on the community which is listed above the post on the website. Then on the community page you should see a big red “Block community” (not visible if you’ve joined the community).
On apps there will be a similar process that varies by app.
But if you’re blocking an unfriendly, unwelcoming, or hateful community - please report it as well.
Exploding heads is an alt-right instance that just spouts hate and whatnot, and they’re not trying to hide it. Instead of waiting for it becoming a larger problem, just nip it in the bud and prevent further issues.
Personal opinion: I don’t really give a shit.
Thanks, you reminded me to check in on that side and see what’s going on in exploding heads. …not much, nothing interesting. I did see Trump without makeup on which was pretty funny.
I tend to think that putting the far side of anything into a hole with the moderates only leads to the moderates getting more extreme. When you can’t debate or point out flaws in the arguments, no one is going to learn anything.
Does anyone know if there’s an extreme left wing nutjob instance? I want to see the crazy shit they talk about too.
Lemmygrad is extreme left to the point that a lot of instances have defederated with them.
I kinda want to forcefully federate lemmygrad with exploding heads and watch them fight.
That would be “Lemmygrad - A collection of Marxist communities, for memes …”
Lemmygrad are also off the deep end, but I didn’t see them threatening violence when I had a look. Just clueless, edgy teenagers.
I just got to the bottom of page 2 and there was a post glorifying mass murder so… They’re doing their best!
I must have popped in at the right time then.
I have not seen it but blocked the domain. I do prefer nothing be defederated but that is because I prefer the individual block it themselves. That being said when you block stuff does not disapear right away. Likely caching or something.
There is an interesting point on censorship in this question.
It seems to me that there is already a tool available to users (block community, though not block instance) who choose to not see the stuff that these people post. I have not bothered to look at what it is as I’m not really interested in Alt-RIght bullshit, or Alt-Left either for that matter.
But removing the choice from users to block/not block the community is a bit extreme. I fully support mods who ban users who post the crap in lemmy.nz as we want to promote an inclusive and welcoming community here.
There are some really shitty people in the world, pretending that they don’t exist by removing the content preemptively removes the opportunity for someone to learn and generate a little resilience by making the choice that “I don’t need to see that shit…block community”.
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There’s a lot to this. I’m going to try to cover my views, hopefully briefly.
With the fediverse there is no central censorship. Anyone can set up an instance, and decide what they want on it. Each instance can choose what they want on their instance, and that includes the “All” feed, which is posts from every instance they federate with. As an example, we federate with Beehaw. We federate with Lemmy.world. But Beehaw does not federate with Lemmy.world. Beehaw is curating the space they want, and can make these decisions for themselves. It does not affect anyone else. This is a great feature. You don’t have to split into separated clusters, instead there’s a complex network of who federates with who.
It seems to me that there is already a tool available to users (block community, though not block instance) who choose to not see the stuff that these people post.
Currently the tools are very poor. As you’ve mentioned, users cannot block instances. Also, neither admins nor users can block a community or instance from showing in the All feed while still allowing users to subscribe to communities from those instances.
But removing the choice from users to block/not block the community is a bit extreme. I fully support mods who ban users who post the crap in lemmy.nz as we want to promote an inclusive and welcoming community here.
As mentioned, there are not great tools for this currently. New users coming to our instance may see alt-right content in the All feed and get the wrong idea about who we are. Logged out users have almost zero control (e.g. they can’t block a community).
Also, communities on other instances are part of the community here - it’s all part of the content that people access from this site. If the content on those communities does not meet our code of conduct, we should not have it available on our instance.
There are some really shitty people in the world, pretending that they don’t exist by removing the content preemptively removes the opportunity for someone to learn and generate a little resilience by making the choice that “I don’t need to see that shit…block community”.
One issue is that, especially with regards to “conspiracy theory” type content, minor exposure increases the risk of being sucked in. Even joking about COVID hoaxes or talking about how ridiculous they are can increase the number of people believing there is something going on, leading to real life harm. If people want that content, they can go to another instance. Accounts are free, and there are apps available with easy account switching. There’s no reason for us to partake in that sort of content. Basically the idea of removing the choice from the user isn’t true. If this were reddit they would just shut down a community and that would be it. On lemmy, anyone has the choice to seek out those communities but we don’t have to make our instance an entrypoint. Users should seek a home instance that aligns with the experience they want. They can then subscribe to and participate in lemmy.nz communities, so long as we federate with that instance.
We also only have 2 blocked instances. I don’t know what this looks like for other instances of our size, but the bigger instances each block dozens.
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If we want this server to be inclusive, then we don’t want (e.g.) people of colour creating an account, logging in, and seeing a whole lot of racist stuff.
We also don’t want that stuff showing when logged out!
I guess from my perspective, lemmy.nz is a site. We are responsible for everything on our site, and it all needs to meet our agreed code of conduct.
The fact that some of this content comes through from another source doesn’t change this.
Good point on visitors having even less control, I was only considering lemmy.nz members. We want to promote as many people to come to Lemmy(.nz) as possible and need to consider the needs of visitors, so that they want to sign up.
I’m really hoping that Lemmy will grow. But I also want people to be better in general; when someone says something hateful (racist, anti-trans etc…) the ability to look at oneself and think “I’m worth more than your comments” and realise that it says more about the person saying the thing than who it is directed at, is a very resilient and powerful thing for someone.
I still have my Reddit account and am using it, but I am choosing Lemmy far more often. I am hoping that over time Lemmy can fully replace Reddit as my go to social media. That will just have to wait for the more esoteric subs to start creating communities. r/Taupo, r/OLKB, r/Aphantasia, r/Onyx_Boox…to name a few.
There is a difficult balance between protecting people and empowering people to protect themselves. There is some very interesting discourse to be had on this topic.
But I also want people to be better in general; when someone says something hateful (racist, anti-trans etc…) the ability to look at oneself and think “I’m worth more than your comments” and realise that it says more about the person saying the thing than who it is directed at, is a very resilient and powerful thing for someone.
I agree, but I also think that there is a difference between casual racism (where you can call them out in it and they may not have even realised the harm), and the edgy, trying to offend people or just angry at the world hateful comments.
And as has been mentioned, it’s virtually impossible to understand the relentlessness of it if you aren’t in one of the targeted groups. For many people, an online space is the only sanctum from their day to day real life attacks. Let’s not make people see hate speech they don’t want to see.
It’s also not our job to convince nazis that hitler was wrong. You can’t change peoples values through discussion, values must be lived to be changed. You could argue that by geting nazis and LGBTQIA+ to meet and get to know each other can help the nazis change their views, and this is possibly true. But this required a dedicated space where people choose to participate, and that is carefully facilitated. Lemmy.nz is a general NZ community and is not in a position to take on a role like that.
I get where you’re coming from, but let’s first built a welcoming and friendly community. If we let the hate speech in with the hope of empowering people, we will end up with no community at all.
So a bit after I wrote my reply I noticed I could feddit.de that I also blocked (in that case its just that I don’t speak german. as far as I know the domain is a great place) and now im not so sure blocking the domains works all that well.
Users can’t block whole instances, maybe you just blocked one community? (Edit: oh you’re on kbin, maybe you can?)
Also it looks like they are tagging their posts as German (Deutsch). In your user settings, make sure you don’t have this language selected (make sure you leave Undetermined selected as most English content is set to this (as it’s the default - no I don’t know how to default your own posts to English, maybe someone else does?).
you can block whole domains. you go to /d/domainname and when you get ther it has the same block icon as users and magazines on the right and you just click on it.
I don’t have the language option. This may be a kbin vs lemmy thing and I realize now im on kbin and the original post is about lemmy so maybe you guys can’t block domains. my bad.
Oh interesting Kbin doesn’t let you filter by language.
And yeah I’m pretty sure that users blocking domains doesn’t exist on Lemmy yet, but lots of people are asking for it. It should come eventually. Admins can block domains but this affects everyone on the instance.
