• rockSlayer@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    No. You don’t get to reassign what the topic is about because it’s better for your pessimistic view. Biden is the de facto leader of the Democratic party. What he does is incredibly important for the direction of the party as a whole, and therefore senate democrats.

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      10 months ago

      You don’t get to reassign what the topic is about because it’s better for your pessimistic view.

      Article’s about Senate Democrats. Senate Democrats made sure rail bosses got what they wanted. What Biden and Sanders did afterwards to try to mitigate the betrayal of Senate Democrats is not something Senate Democrats should be given credit for.

      You don’t get to stab workers in the back like Senate Democrats did and then get credit for the work people who aren’t Senate Democrats put in.

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        10 months ago

        The comment I wrote was about the democratic party as a whole. It’s never just the senate, just the house, or just the president when a party moves left.

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          10 months ago

          It’s never just the senate, just the house, or just the president when a party moves left.

          Then you’re also willing to give the entire party credit when they move right, too? Like how the entire party killed BBB? Like how the entire party killed the minimum wage increase? Like how the entire party supports Netanyahu’s genocide? Manchin voted to confirm Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, so the entire party helped kill Roe v Wade.

          If you want to give the entire party credit for the accomplishments of people who aren’t even party members like Sanders, we can certainly go there. Lieberman wasn’t a party member, so the entire party killed the public option.

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            10 months ago

            Then you’re also willing to give the entire party credit when they move right, too?

            Yes. The democratic party is a progressive, liberal party. That means they’re still right of center and make many moves that hurt the working class. But they’ve also been moving left since the 40s. In my state, the democratic party absorbed the Farmer-Labor party and moved significantly more left as a result. They’re still more left than the rest of the nation imo. But because they’re still primarily a liberal party, their progress is slow.

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              10 months ago

              But they’ve also been moving left since the 40s.

              What a ridiculous lie. You’re actually going to sit there and claim that Democrats’ positions today are the result of moving to the left of Democrats during the height of the New Deal.

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                10 months ago

                I don’t know what else to tell you. Progress is progress. You don’t get to pick and choose what counts as “real progress”.

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                  10 months ago

                  I don’t know what else to tell you.

                  Something that isn’t a lie. Democrats have moved to the right since at least the 80s.

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                    10 months ago

                    Only if you focus on economic issues. If you look at what the Democrats have focused on since the New Deal (when they had felt they had solved economics), civil rights, then they’re incredibly more progressive than the 1940’s or even the 1980’s.

                    Economically, they are just now beginning to slide leftwards from the 1940’s position, but to focus exclusively on that would be blind to all other progress made.