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  • I’m hardly responsible if the majority of or the leadership of The Party don’t align with my views. It is they who have failed us, not the other way around.

    Like I said, you’re not responsible for their current policies, that would be the Democratic voter base of 30 years ago, but you’re responsible for not trying to vote them out and writing off the entire fucking party as the same.

    Have fun feeling politically nihilistic and irrelevant though, it sure worked for the CPUSA, the SPA, the SWP and every other third partyist of the past 100 years.


  • Meanwhile they actively attacked Bernie calling him old (which is funny to think about now) and mocking his supporters as “Bernie bros” as they pulled all the stops to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination.

    This is what a couple media pundits said yes, I don’t think this is evidence that liberals secretly would rather have fascism however, for the same reason as I stated before, they spent almost every day of his presidency condemning him.

    Democrats bashed trump while helping him behind the scenes: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

    Speaking of which, they love funding fascists in general: https://www.vox.com/23274469/democrats-extremist-republicans-mastriano-cox-bailey

    Again, a few instances of some Democrats making stupid decisions and making a stupid tactical electoral decision, is not evidence that they prefer Trump to Bernie, or that they fought Bernie harder.

    For every article you can provide of an out of touch media pundit saying something about Bernie, or a party strategist making a dumb decision around Trump, I can find 10 times that amount of Democrats condemning something Trump did.

    The vast majority of liberal democrats criticizing Bernie cake during the two primaries, during which they were still criticizing Trump, and the majority of the non-primary time this past 8 years has been spent attacking Trump. Again, that doesn’t sound like more effort against Bernie than Trump to me.


  • absolutely no say in the matter

    You can keep shoving your head in the sand or research and confirm what I’ve been saying is the truth, that candidates are nominated by candidate choice, signatures, and then a primary vote. Up to you.

    Your continued support of the familiar means they’ll never change.

    Lmfao, yeah? Can I ask how long you’ve been involved in politics? Or how much you know about American domestic political history?

    The Democratic Party and Klu Klux Klan Venn Diagram a century ago would’ve been essentially a circle, with some weird progressives like Roosevelt on the sidelines. The past century of American political conflict has been one of the Democrats slowly solidifying around socially left issues and the Republicans doing the opposite, solidifying around the right. Both Parties found an economically left wing New Deal consensus after the squabbling of great depression recovery, which lasted basically until Reagan and the creation of a Neoliberal consensus.

    That’s all to say that the Parties have changed massively over the past 100 years, the Democrats completely switched their position on social and economic issues.

    I have been pushing for my part of the Democratic party to be more economically and socially liberal for a decade now, and even in that short time I’ve noticed immense changes in what the party is willing to accept. A decade ago, rent control advocacy would’ve had city level Democratic officials criticizing me, and now Biden, a moderate, is advocating for it in debates and in speeches.

    The Overton window of the Democratic Party has never been stagnant. It has trended solidly left on almost everything for a century, and you’d have to be ignorant or bad faith to not recognize that.



  • regardless of who puts forth the candidate

    That’s the thing, though, no one “puts forth” a candidate except the candidate themselves, parties will sometimes reach out to activists or local party officials for local or state office nominations, but Federal office candidates are almost always decided by candidates themselves getting signatures and putting their name forward.

    You’re no more responsible for the failures of the party than party establishment officials at the DNC, and likely quite less responsible, but you are responsible for writing off the party as a whole, and thereby abandoning the about 50% of the party that wants to take it in a progressive/anti-capitalist direction.


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    That they fought harder to stop Bernie from getting the nomination twice than they ever fought against trump speaks volumes.

    I don’t remember almost every single Democrat bashing Bernie publicly every single time they had the chance like most democrats did with Trump for the last 8 years. Are you not remembering the firestorm of statements from elected officials anytime Trump did something horrific?

    The democratic party will never be replaced with progressives because their donors won’t allow it.

    I bet Malcom X and the Segregationist Democrats would’ve felt the exact same, and yet that last set of reactionary Dems has been completely purged from the party since the 60s.



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    No party that “served the rich” would’ve even let people like Bernie into the party, let alone give them committee assignments and let them run for president on their ticket.

    There’s no point in arguing that the Democratic Party is entirely controlled by the rich other than to encourage political nihilism. It has always been possible and always will be possible to beat wins out of (or even change/become) the party establishment through concerted effort and activism, as happened in the 30s, the Civil Rights Era, and the purging of the Blue Dogs after the Civil Rights era.

    Bernie’s losses were disheartening, but abandoning any effort to sway the democrats and writing them off as “servants of the rich” when the decade before 2016 had been one of growing progressivism within the party and when Bernie unfortunately never even beat Hillary in a Dem Primary Poll, is the political equivalent of taking your ball and going home.

    Bash on the DNC and NDC all you want, but until we replace them with progressives like was done to the segregationist dems or lose doing so, there’s no point in writing off the Democratic Party.



  • 7/10 Nazis killed in WWII were at the hands of the Soviets

    And 10/10 of the Polish officers and civilians killed at Katyn were at the hands of the Soviets too. There’s no point in defending a regime that did horrific things, just because they happened to kill a lot of people who also did horrific things.

    There’s also no point in arguing that “one nation won the war” against anyone in World War 2, the war would’ve been significantly worse and more brutal had almost any of the allied nations not participated.

    Without the US lend lease and factories, the Soviets wouldn’t have had a chance, and it would’ve been a much much more brutal battle even if they succeeded. Not to mention the massive amount of work the U.S. put into fighting Japan in the Pacific almost alone.

    Without the Soviets the other allies would have had no continental power to distract the Germans, and North Africa would likely have fallen along with the UK.

    Without the UK, the Axis would’ve had a much much easier time navigating waterways and trading with the world, not always having the possibility of being harassed from one of the UK’s colonial ports or airports. Not to mention the constant threat of invasion from the sea and the opening of a second front that the UK provided.

    There’s others I won’t even mention because it would take too long like the invaluable support of India and China without which Japan would’ve dominated Asia, and the people of Africa and South America who also contributed.

    There’s literally no way a non-propagandizing historian could put the victory solely on any of the Allied nations, each and every one was completely indispensable