There are some… interesting things in this list.
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Bitter, nasty, regressive. Not a single positive thing on that list unless you’re a landlord, millionaire or a bigot.
This goverment will be a complete disaster for thousands upon thousands.
An email from NZ First also says they have got agreement to repeal the Therapeutic Products Act 2023, which seems to require marketing of medicine/health stuff to only make claims that are real (i.e. it’s anti-homeopathy, etc).
Does NZ first want only ‘real’ info or the current act wants ‘real’ claims?
The current law requires no false claims be made. NZF want to repeal that, and allow dubious claims
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A lot of virtue signaling and dog whistling in the list as well. For example:
• As a matter of urgency, issue a Cabinet Office circular to all central government organisations that it is the Government’s expectation that public services should be prioritised on the basis of need, not race.
This isn’t a thing that happens, but it’s playing up to the whole ‘hospitals use race when determining surgery’ misinformation bullshit. It will have zero impact in how care is given.
What are you talking about, an entire duplicate Maori health authority was formed to prioritise the needs of Maori first, instead of New Zealanders in general.
Not to mention the duplicate Maori versions of other things due to co-governance, and things like Maori wards which put council seats aside just for Maori and no-one else.
We are a multicultural country with far more than two cultures, it can’t be Maori vs everyone else. We need to be united as New Zealanders
What are you talking about, an entire duplicate Maori health authority was formed to prioritise the needs of Maori first, instead of New Zealanders in general.
Te Aka Whai Ora is not “an entire duplicate health authority”. It’s role is:
- Leading change in how the entire health system understands and treats Māori health needs.
- Developing strategy and policy which will create better health outcomes for Māori.
- Recruiting kaupapa Māori services and other services for Māori communities.
- Recruiting other services alongside Te Whatu Ora. Keeping track of the health system to make sure there are fewer inequities for Māori.
Notice this is not a duolicte of Te Whatu Ora, recieves a fraction of the funding, and is designed specifically to resolve systemic inequalities in the current health system.
Not to mention the duplicate Maori versions of other things due to co-governance, and things like Maori wards which put council seats aside just for Maori and no-one else.
Co-governance models do not have “duplicate Maori versions”, they are a collaboration between Iwi and Council. Every time they have been implemented, they have resulted in improved outcomes for everyone compared to the traditional system. Co-governance already exists in a few places, and has only been beneficial.
Finally, there are no duplicate systems as you are suggesting.
We are a multicultural country with far more than two cultures, it can’t be Maori vs everyone else. We need to be united as New Zealanders
Absolutely. But the current system disadvantages our indigenous population. Continuing with the system will not improve the situation, so a targeted approach is required. Better outcomes for the disadvantaged is only a good thing for society.
There’s a fair amount of anti-“woke” and and anti-environment stuff though, although I’m not familiar enough with NZ politics to know how impactful these will be. But they look pretty fucked on the face of it:
- All references to gender, sexuality and “relationship-based education guidelines” will be removed and replaced from curriculums
- Concurrent sentences would come to an end, prisoners would be required to work, and Corrections officers would get body cameras
- Hate speech law would also be ruled out, with work on it stopped
- Fair pay agreements and Labour’s replacements for the RMA will be repealed by Christmas. New resource management laws will be “premised on the enjoyment of property rights as a guiding principle”
- Ban on offshore oil and gas exploration to be repealed.
I feel like there might be a word for “prisoners would be required to work”.
- Hate speech law would also be ruled out, with work on it stopped
Oh fuck OFF
It’s a good thing.
It sounds bad on the surface but what constitutes hate speech is completely subjective so impossible to define in a legal sense without also affecting freedom of speech.
Plus we already have laws against inciting violence etc so it’s not like there’s a gaping hole
So then fix it. Or change it, or rework it. Don’t just cut cut cut because things aren’t perfect. How is society supposed to progress if we kill any ambitious programmes?
In this case the premise is fundamentally flawed and can’t really be fixed.
Therefore, it’s logical to stop wasting time on it and spend the time on the new priorities instead
I disagree the premise is flawed. We, as a society, have decided hate-speech is not ok.
Some of the key points seem very anti environment, which is a real shame as Labour really hadn’t gone far enough
So much of it just seems like petty idealogical change just for the sake of it.
LGWM has been dragging on for almost a decade now, Wellington council were given a clear mandate to build new tunnels, bypass the basin, build trams, and in general get shit done.
Instead, we have a handful of bike lanes, and Wellington is as painful to get around in as it ever has been.
It’s about the only item on that list I wholeheartedly agree with.
Seems like it’s very heavy on things they are going to destroy/undo and very light on things they are going to create/construct.
Conservatism at its core: they want to go back to “the good old days” is just a shame that they never existed.
It’s a viewpoint. National and especially Act are big believers in the idea the the government should be involved as little as possible, and “the market” will sort it out. Of course the MPs and their donors own the companies that make up “the market”, so they financially benefit as well.
However, they are not bad guys. They, for the most part, truly believe that this system of government makes for a better country.
It just seems way more about defining themselves via negatives than we saw each time the Key govt was incoming (or even the Bolger government, to really dredge up the past…) Compare this with stuff like Bill English’s obsession with social investment.
However, they are not bad guys
Hmmm. I think their supporters are not bad guys. When I’ve discussed politics - I lived in the Epson electorate for a long time - most everyone wants what’s best for New Zealand as a whole, and in cases where they do specifically want bad outcomes for certain groups it’s usually because they think the groups deserve bad outcomes. For which I blame cognitive biases like the Just World hypothesis, bigotry, or a misunderstanding of finance.
But when it comes to policy-making, I think there’s a level at which it’s your ethical responsibility to actually assimilate all the facts and look at international best practice and long term outcomes instead of just going by what you think “feels like” the truth. And I think over the years, along with the well-meaning people you describe, we have also had a number of intellectually lazy/dishonest types who don’t do that - and a few cynical people who are in politics simply to benefit their in-group.
It just seems way more about defining themselves via negatives than we saw each time the Key govt was incoming (or even the Bolger government, to really dredge up the past…) Compare this with stuff like Bill English’s obsession with social investment.
Yes, I think you’re right. Key was tax cuts and the fibre internet infrasturcture, probably some more I can’t remember. But this government is hard on the us and them rhetoric, promising to undo lots of stuff because they are fighting back against the other side.
But when it comes to policy-making, I think there’s a level at which it’s your ethical responsibility to actually assimilate all the facts and look at international best practice and long term outcomes instead of just going by what you think “feels like” the truth.
If you look at COVID deniers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, flat earth believers, and so on, these people believe they have looked at all the facts and believe others are ignoring the evidence that they see. I am honestly not sure what the solution is here, but it probably starts with a better funded and structured education system. However, I have heard the worst part of being a teacher isn’t the naughty kids or the politics or the curriculum but the parents. If the parents don’t want their kids to learn then they vote for people who promise to ban things from being taught (e.g. NZ First), and then we end up with more parents voting to ban things from being taught. And even if they aren’t banned, then there will be parents yelling at the teachers for teaching it.
I honestly don’t know what the answer here is.
you look at COVID deniers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, flat earth believers and so on, these people believe they have looked at all the facts
I wasn’t talking about these people, by and large. They are welcome to believe what they want, because it’s not actually their job to make those decisions on our behalf.
Those we have elected to that full-time job are given access to a higher level of resources, expert opinions, and guidance. It’s their responsibility to draw on those things properly, educate themselves fully, and to make the best decisions they can.
I don’t have an issue with anyone who actually does that in good faith, however misguided. But I see far too little evidence-based policy from some quarters and far too much reliance on “the perception” and gut feelings and assumptions.
In my career, I did my job to the best of my ability, and I took my ethical responsibility to those who were affected by my decisions very seriously. That’s all I ask of others.
In the case of Luxon, he has already said something about one of his policies that is factually untrue and appears to be intended to mislead, so I’m not inclined to think he is “one of the good guys” at all. YMMV, and time will tell I guess.
I wasn’t talking about these people, by and large.
Sorry, on re-reading your comment I can see you were talking about elected officials, not the people who elect them.
But I see far too little evidence-based policy from some quarters and far too much reliance on “the perception” and gut feelings and assumptions.
Unfortunately, democracy is a popularity contest. When the voters don’t value evidence-based policy, they vote in representatives that also don’t value it. And even if the representatives don’t believe in what they are selling, if they don’t do what they voters want them to do then they don’t get voted in. Something about “you can’t make someone believe something when their job depends on them not believing”.
In the case of Luxon, he has already said something about one of his policies that is factually untrue and appears to be intended to mislead, so I’m not inclined to think he is “one of the good guys” at all. YMMV, and time will tell I guess.
When I said they aren’t bad guys, what I meant is that no one goes out trying to make things worse. There are very few evil villains in the world, and many more unintentional villians. You can be sure Luxon believes that he will make the country a better place through his party’s policies, and he will justify his lies with his belief it’s all for the greater good (the greater good). I don’t think this means he’s a “good guy”, but I think it comes down to the discussion the other day about whether there are truly “bad” people, or if people are just a product of their environment.
Yeah, I think it does. You and I had somewhat different positions on that issue.
The greater good… the Sandford Neighbourhood Watch Alliance are a perfect example of what I would see as people deliberately choosing to lean into their APD traits.
Crusty jugglers aside, the idea that the ends justify the means has been responsible for many of the world’s most horrific massacres. Arendt’s observations on the banality of “evil” are relevant here.
Yeah, I think it does. You and I had somewhat different positions on that issue.
I think I probably comes down to definition. A person you might see as a fundamentally “bad” person I see as a product of their environment. They didn’t independently decide to do those bad things, or culture their personality that way. If their role models had been better, their opportunities, if they had been born in a different time or place; they may have been a completely different person. Does the string of events outside their control make them bad? Sure. Does it make them a “fundamentally bad person”, well we’re gonna have to define that what that means because at their core they weren’t bad, it was their experiences and opportunities that shaped them.
How fucked is the country ?
Not sure on the scale to use
Nationals ability to publish a coherent budget to Winston peters in charge and deciding the gate of kiwis
How fucked is the country ?
Um, yes?
Well there’s my daily dose of depression
Yup, Act has got this one in: “Explore allowing home builders to opt out of requiring a building consent provided they have long-term insurance for their work”
And for schools, NZ First: “Refocus the curriculum on academic achievement and not ideology, including the removal and replacement of the gender, sexuality, and relationship-based education guidelines”. What does the last bit mean? Remove and then replace? You can’t remove something and then replace it. No more sex education?
A very depressing list of changes, nothing positive. I still don’t understand why anyone would vote for one of these parties.
Yup, Act has got this one in: “Explore allowing home builders to opt out of requiring a building consent provided they have long-term insurance for their work”
Hopefully this is just in name. They probably got told no, and they said can we at least look into it?
And for schools, NZ First: “Refocus the curriculum on academic achievement and not ideology, including the removal and replacement of the gender, sexuality, and relationship-based education guidelines”. What does the last bit mean? Remove and then replace? You can’t remove something and then replace it. No more sex education?
I think this is not related to the kind of sex education we had as kids, I think this is basically banning schools from discussing bi/homosexuality, trans, an non-binary genders. It’s pandering to the “anti-woke” crowd who don’t even understand what that stuff is but definitely don’t want their kids learning about it. Because the youth suicide rate isn’t high enough, we need some policies that aim to take it higher.
Yeah makes sense re the woke part. Guess we’ll have to educate our kids ourselves.
A very depressing government. Seems they only have reverted changes without any positive new changes.
Ok reddit-esque echo chamber, here’s a hot take - most of its pretty good and reverses several backwards trends.
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Nationals tax cuts are random and don’t really do much. However reinstating deductibility on mortgage interest is a no brainer, since it’s removing an arbitrary exception that makes tax law more complicated than it should be
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Treaty Principles Bill that everyone is complaining about - it’s about clarifying things that are currently grey areas so there is certainty. We can’t keep paying out for historical injustices forever. Besides, it’s a bill that can still get shot down at select committee, not the referendum that ACT wanted
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Regional Infrastructure Fund aka Shane Jones slush fund - don’t see anyone complaining about this. Last time they used it to upgrade and fix marae around the country, a good thing imo
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Removing the last of the covid BS - good. Throwing money at an inquiry about if the BS was justified - just move on already…
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ACT stopping large projects - some of those projects have been dragging on for too long and achieve very little (such as Let’s Get Wellington Moving). Some are unnecessary (such as Three Waters). Not sure about the others but probably costing too much for what they’re delivering. The need for some of the projects still exists, most likely those ones will be re-assessed, scope modified and relaunched under a new name
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Fees Free final year instead of first year - this would save a lot of money while also rewarding those who stick it out and finish instead of dropping out after a year. Maybe will result in more people actually graduating
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Retirement staying at 65 is just unsustainable, but this would have been Winston’s doing. Thanks to the medical system people live longer and drag their lives out longer when they get terminally ill. Easy for Luxon to kick this can down the road though to get Winston onside
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Fair Pay agreements scrapped - good. These are compulsory unionism agreements. If you want to form a union then form a union, but don’t make it compulsory for your entire industry to join…
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It is when one wants to silence criticism out of the gate and avoid actually having to argue one’s position.
E.g.
We can’t keep paying out for historical injustices forever.
Translation: the savages need to know their place as a conquered people.
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