If Reddit were to revert it’s changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?
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I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.
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https://calckey.social/tags/Reddit has the best ui i’ve seen in the fediverse but it’s for mastodon
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Yeah. Best I can describe it is its like email for message boards.
But I can see definate needs for better community discovery, group like communities from other instances, making reccomendations for similar communities etc.
Honestly, there’s a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.
That and a little jank here and there but that’s bound to get buffed out.
Agree those two changes would be good. Along with making the ability to add topic sorting or community grouping where you can view say, all “technology” communities in a url. Or all Linux communities across instances in a big group etc.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
here’s the issue trackers you’re looking for!
Nice. Thanks!
Yeah thats my biggest issue so far… I can’t imagine explaining how to get my non tech literate friends on here yet. I kinda wish it was more ready before the reddit api fallout happened.
The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It’s literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn’t actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That’s it.
Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.
And the app for android doesn’t seem to let you search for and add new communities. It needs to be done from web browser from what I can tell
I’m sure that as more users join it will get easier
I don’t think it’s too abstract for people. I think we’re all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.
When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn’t stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.
It ain’t rocket science.
That’s a very good way of explaining it.
See my post history if the ui is bothering you. With Sylus browser add on, some very small ui tweaks make the site much easier on the eyes
after I found out about the fediverse I’ve wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn’t already popular
Because most people just don’t understand it. It’s has a high barrier of entry (relatively speaking) and there aren’t really any good mobile apps. While I love the idea of the fed Ivette I just can’t imagine trying to explain it to everyone that’s isn’t tech savvy.
For most people it’s just a bit too arcane.
I think that’s true for mastodon, but I suspect it’s going to be way less true for Reddit
Twitter’s value proposition is roughly “one big giant conversation with everyone” and the federation stuff adds some complexity to that.
Reddit already acted like a federation. There are ui and discoverability issues but they seem very solvable.
For me, they’d have to
- Replace /u/spez
- Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
- Open-source significant parts of their platform.
I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.
Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?
Not recently… I’m just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.
Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn’t the first break. Big social is having problems, it’s the natural course of things.
This is a great point!
The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.
Of course, there will be people who just don’t care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don’t care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don’t moderate any subreddits, and don’t follow the Internet news.
I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.
The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.
Link? That’s not good news :/
Ah, that’s based off the AMA he “did”. So nothing newer than that?
I haven’t seen any new news compared to yesterday in spez’s AMA. Nothing in regards to him responding to the forthcoming blackout (which is currently 3800+ / 6625 subs)
Right, is that starting at like 12 EST or PST?
I don’t know if it’s specific to any one timezone. They reddark tracker is basing it off of UTC-4 at the moment and I would imagine someone on the other side of the world wouldn’t stay up overnight to match a single timezone. Maybe the mods will move to private when they wake up in the morning. Long way of saying IDK honestly lol.
Yeah, I realized as I was typing it that it was probably going to be pretty random
I think that’s from his AMA response
Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif
The redditinc thing is freaking hilarious.
Ugh, that kind of makes me want to vomit. What a shame.
You know what’s great for vomiting though? Barf-b-gone! It’s organic homeopathic artisanal small batch natural nausea remedy that I’m recommending you as a fellow user and not a spam bot looking for keywords! Click here to buy it now and try it immediately! /s
That may be the grossest thing I’ve seen yet from a UI perspective. FFS.
Personally, I don’t see myself going back. I’ll just chill with my new community here.
Same
Reddit’s handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO’s AMA pretty much ignored all criticism of the API changes (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo’s developer threatening them… They’ve shown their real colours now
I don’t want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else. I used Reddit for over a decade and they’ve eradicated all trust I had in them within a few days. Reddit as a company clearly only want to line their own pockets. Even if they reverse the decision, at this point it’d clearly be a PR move to save their sinking reputation rather than coming from a place of genuine constructive dialogue.
Its a shame, but at the same time I’m excited to see where things go from here. Reddit’s always had a bit of a quality control problem due to its sheer volume of content. Maybe this mass exodus will lead to a replacement platform with a more refined, engaged userbase.
They’ve already posted that they’re going to “double down” on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads
Im not going back after that AMA they showed their face and it was very very ugly (not that spez looks good in person either)
Oh, so he ended up doing it?
Edit: Darn it, that’s right. /r/AMA went private. Is the thread archived somewhere?Wasn’t on r/AMA, was on r/reddit. Here you go.
https://safereddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/ LibReddit link so you don’t actually use the Reddit website and give ad revenue.
Thanks. Looks like Reddit is down, so I can’t test the link. Otherwise I’d have replaced it already and I’ll use that link from now on.
I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.
I already like the community here more
Same. I’ll definitely stay here.
Also same. This community is so welcoming and willing to build something great
Same. I’m here to stay.
I don’t intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn’t like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.
However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There’s still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.
I will admit that I’d keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I’m going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.
I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.
Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.
The apollo_for_reddit developer (android) is looking into making their app compatible with alternative platforms, hopefully more Reddit apps follow suit so they can make interacting on Lemmy as frictionless as possible
Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don’t go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say “oopsie.” It don’t work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.
Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 “mistakes” ago. I’m never going back.
I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my “social media”
Yup other than the occasional tidbit that will eventually get here I just want something to doomscroll and kill time.
