If there isn’t a movie yet where a woman meets a strange man in the middle of the woods and he starts acting creepy and she gets scared, then she sees a bear and decides to chance it with the bear… and then the bear runs past her and mauls the creepy guy-
Well there should be.
That is women literally choosing the bear (by not voting or who voted Trump, same thing).
2020 election.
Its cultural, men are more likely to be Republicans. One day this will change
If no woman will consent to a guy like that, he’ll just vote for the candidate who promises to abolish consent
I mean, it sounds to me like men also chose the bear. Why did they choose the bear, is it because they’re stupid? Probably not, they likely just thought their odds were better with the bear.
Dropping the metaphor, and looking in the cold light of day, those young men saw a better future under Trumpler than Harris. Articles signaled this well before, and nothing was done to address it.
Will their future be better - probably not. Can they be made to think their future is better, that’s a tough one. Remember, you can trick one group of people into thinking they have more rights by stripping the rights of those around them.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
I love how so many men in the comments are butt hurt by this comparison. Almost as if it hit the nail right on the head.
Cool, now do women!
“Boomers are turning this country to shit!”
GenX:
Wish this would be adjusted for age. Obviously someone who had more time to accumulate wealth will have more wealth. The real question is how much wealth does each generation have at the same age.
Well this here GenXer wishes he could have some of that wealth. Unless ‘have a mortgage’ constitutes wealth.
It actually does. The amount paid off at least, since the property is the wealth.
Considering how little we’re going to get back when we sell it within the next few months before fleeing to the UK, I would say that I don’t think it’s wealth.
When Harris was nominated, I told a friend of mine that my biggest fear was it was going to energize racists and sexists because she was black and a woman. I though she was great candidate, but the level of racism and sexism in this county is beyond insane.
Well it’s a good thing your worries were unfounded then because Trump got 72 million votes in 2020, and as of right now he’s got those same 72 million votes in 2024. 10 million or so democrats sat out this election compared to 2020 and that’s why Harris lost.
It was actually because they gaslit people into believing that Biden was a competent candidate until like 3 months before the damn election.
THEN didn’t even hold a primary.
And then let Kamala Harris completely train wreck the campaign and say shit like 18-24 year olds were stupid (notice how most of those votes from men for trump were around that age?) And sure, the video was taken out of context but she did say it and these dumb fucks didn’t care what the context was when they see that clip droning on their TikToks and shit.
America does have a racism and sexism problem but to tell yourself that that is the only reason she lost this election would be lying to yourself in a very major way.
I did vote for her too, btw. First time I ever voted. But Jesus Christ the democrats just seem like they don’t want to win at this point.
Thankfully it looks like that did not happen. So far Trump got less votes than he did in 2020. It’s just that Harris did not manage to get the democratic voter base off the couch.
People keep saying this but they haven’t finished counting the votes. In California alone only 55% of votes were counted and he had 4,000,000+ votes there. The remaining votes could easily put him past his 2020 total.
Black people are the second worst of being president.
Americans: i don’t know, a FEMALE and a NEGRO?
That seems bang on average for the entire country. If anything that suggests to me that men in that age group are less susceptible to trumps influence since other age ranges of men were in the 60s and 70s
Well, there’s still 42% who voted for Harris. What’s wrong with them?
Nothing is wrong with them, but I get not wanting to gamble with thos odds.
Especially when, according to the national park service, “when bear encounters do happen, they are most often nonviolent”. So if you had to gamble…
Are you saying that theres >42% chance a bear will be on your side in the wilderness then?
That makes no sense. By all arguments taking “a man” is prolly the far better choice anyways, people are just stupid.
There’s a 100% chance that “the bear” is a fucking bear
Theres at least a decent chance “a random man” is an asset to survival and your odds of success go up instead of down…
There’s no scenario where choosing “the bear” improves your odds of success >_>;
Unless the bear is starving, rabid or you are between it and its cubs, there is a 99% chance that the bear will just leave you alone, and probably run away.
I’m guessing that’s not as high a percentage when it comes to men considering statistics involving rape and murder.
So yeah, I’d say that there are a lot of scenarios where choosing the bear improves your odds of success.
It’s like people think there are hundreds of thousands of bear maulings ever year or something…
You’re changing the hypothetical into something it’s not. “Odds of success” are a weird thing to think about when it’s just a walk in the woods.
Google the word hyperbole, you fucking moron. Nobody can be this dumb.
Yeah the overwhelming majority of woman interactions with men is non violent.
Very true, but the overwhelming majority of women interact with men overwhelmingly frequently compared to bears.
Almost as if the whole thing is a light hearted way of drawing attention to a very real fear women live with every day, that stats posted above bear (get it?) witness to.
Plus, if we are being pedantic, it’s not “interactions with men”. It’s “would you, as a woman, feel safer encountering a man or a bear when you are alone in the woods”.
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If we are talking about odds, I’d rather run into a bear than any human being in the woods regardless of skin color because humans kill humans in an exponentially greater number than bears kill humans.
So sure. I’d rather run into a bear than a black person in the woods. Or a white person. Or a brown person. Or even a blue person. And you do have a small chance running into one of the blue ones in one area that’s bear country.
This is wrong reasoning though. The only reason why bears kill less humans is because like you say, less bears interact with humans. But if you go with the premise of putting a bear and a human next to each other, then a bear is always more dangerous.
It’s like saying ingesting cyanide kills less people than car accidents. That doesn’t mean ingesting cyanide is less dangerous than driving a car.
I thought we were talking about odds?
Why did you bring up odds if this was about the “right” reasoning?
What’s a “black prison”? Is that like an off-the-books CIA site where they keep people who won’t be found? I’d definitely take the bear, the CIA would probably torture me to get me to tell them how I found their black prison.
Any woman who says “the bear” honestly, I have to assume" has never once actually encountered a bear in the woods.
Prolly has had extremely few encounters with anything in the woods.
People hang out on trails all the time, and are alone with another stranger on the trails extremely often, and the extremely vast majority of those interactions are overwhelming positive in all configurations. The vast majority of humans are helpful at worst, for all genders.
People like to help other people out.
Yes, I would vastly prefer to encounter a gun toting right wing MAGA nut on the trail than a fucking bear, thats not even a hard question to answer, its a fucking bear.
Im left wing by a long shot but I still know that even the average right wing MAGA nut is actually prolly still gonna be, on average, helpful and/or friendly, or maybe just cold and indifferent towards me, out in the wilderness.
Hell I’d actually honestly say this scenario is one of the few times I’d choose a MAGA right wing nut over a fellow left leaning fellow.
I love my fellow liberals but I also have to acknowledge the vast majority of us are city slickers, many many of which prolly couldnt even start a fire if their life depended on it (cuz its just not a thing that matters in the city)
Meanwhile the odds the random selected MAGA right wing gun nut prolly shows up with hunting equipment and knows how to do shit like make a lean to and skin a rabbit.
If I got to pick between the two, I’d choose the gun nut cuz Id rather risk surviving with a gun nut than dying with a fellow city slicker, love yeah all but like, we aint fuckin surviving in the woods long, thats just a fact lol.
Any woman who says “the bear” honestly, I have to assume" has never once actually encountered a bear in the woods.
i have to assume you never were a woman… is that correct assumption, smartass?
If only it were possible to make points without inventing goofy and easily ridiculed scenarios.
“the overwhelming majority of these m&ms are not poisonous.”
mmm sounds delicious
Idk, women also do dumb violent shit, guess everyone should avoid everybody? Since some humans, regardless of their background, are toxic?
Life is risk. Not taking any risk is choosing not to live. It’s relatively easy to figure out who’s a shithead, of course you should be wary of people, but everyone has to filter out other shitty people constantly, it’s not suddenly some new thing because Trumpers exist.
You do, of course, realise that argument was originally concocted to oppose immigration?
They one poisonous m&m in the factory is better than this chainsaw will to your face off, but at least you were safe from potentially being poisoned
Are you OK?
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Overwhelming majority of women interactions with men is not alone in the forest - and that was the setting of this exercise.
Of course I’d rather see a man in crowded office space than a bear, stranded alone in a forest however, math changes.Ok 42% of men voted for your rights. Most violent crime, SA, and murder is done by men. Potentially in the near future you can’t escape a marriage without a “good” reason and you can’t abort a forced pregnancy.
Bears. Potentially murder and maul you. Majority of bear to human interactions are non violent and happens numerically wise less than Bears. You interact with men more than Bears. By a million times. The interactions with a male could be worse. Than just killed or hurt severally. Which is the only thing you get from a bear.Yes not all men but most men don’t support your rights and crimes are mostly men. Bear impacts are better outcomes than a bad man impacts
I’ve HEARD a lot of women talk about how they’d rather be with a bear. I haven’t actually SEEN any leaving society to go live in the woods with a bear. Nor have I seen many of the men supporting them cut off their testicles and dress as bears.
Now, that leaves me in a pickle. Should I conclude a lot of women are hypocrites and a lot of men are just white knighting, since none of them are actually putting their money where their mouth is? Should I begin questioning if all women talk out of their ass and only take their input to be true if they provide signed statements, ideally notarized?
Nah. Probably not. I’m gonna choose to believe #notAllWomen lie. Just, like, the ones talking about bears.
Yet the majority of violent interactions women experience come from men
Yeah because women don’t interact with several bears on a daily basis you jack ass
You’re sure doing your part to make sure women want to interact with you. I bet you’ve convinced most of them that throwing a fit and calling people names when you don’t get your way makes you the best guy.
I’m about to have a violent interaction…
Please don’t hurt a woman for no reason
Only if they voted for trump
Political violence has only led to good things throughout history
Political violence has sometimes led to good things
What if they’re at the receiving end?
I am both disappointed and not surprised that half of young men voted for him
Half of everybody voted for him. This is such a ridiculous post, those are barely off the numbers for the whole election. Which is ridiculous, but why single out this group?
“Still deciding which minority is to blame” -The Onion.
Gotta be pissed off at someone, I suppose. Some blame leftists, some blame Latinos, some blame men.
That’s just not true. I’m waiting to see final numbers, but (just like every election) around 1/3 of those eligible bother to vote consistently. And half of them voted for Trump. The undemocratic Electoral College didn’t help, but apathy won him the White House. And it may just cost us our democracy…
Fuck.
fun fact: if the bear lets you go 1 out of million times (i pulled this number out of my ass), it is statistically safer to meet a man as long as you don’t meet more than 16 of them… 😂
Pretty sure the bear thing is the reason why at least some young men voted like that. Generally hating on men seems so widely accepted to me that I don’t even blame anyone who decided to vote for Trump out of spite.
so the women were right. yeah that’s what we thought.
If that’s how you choose to see it then sure. I don’t live in the US so I really couldn’t care less but if we had an election this important I probably wouldn’t antagonize people that could otherwise support my cause.
no one antagonized anyone who wasn’t specifically the type of guy who would make women choose the bear.
funnily enough the first time I heard about this was a woman asking her husband if he would rather have their daughter alone in the woods with a bear or a random man and he had some questions and thought about it a lot, but what didn’t happen was him saying man immediately. because even for normal men who have women in their lives, the risk men pose to women is tangible. but we have an increasingly incel minded male population so here we are.
Bullshit. EVERY group gets “hated on.” It’s just that the Venn diagram of powerful rich assholes and men (especially white) has a massive overlap, and they use and abuse the power they have without hesitation nor consideration for anyone but themselves. They deserve to be hated upon (and this is coming from a white guy), while so many others they shift blame to don’t.
I agree about the overlap but why generalize a whole group like this? Why needlessly antagonize people when something this important is happening?
Let’s just keep shitting on men collectively, surely that will help!
You remind me of “Elevatorgate” scandal. Remember these days, you’ll see why in a few years.
We aren’t shiting on men collectively, we are shiting on men who voted for Trump.
Thats not helping.
A huge amount of those men are either suffering from mental illness, or lashing out because of that hate, which is just further polarizing them.
Lashing out when hurt is a maladaptive behavior. Giving in to someone who’s lashing out doesn’t solve the underlying issues. Instead, it serves to reinforce the behavior - making it happen more frequently. By contrast, therapy can absolutely help with both the behavior and any illness that’s aggravating it.
Do you honestly think Trump’s regime is going to help such people get the mental healthcare they need? If so, what, specifically, has any of his party said or done that supports that argument?
This entire post is lashing out when hurt. All of these demographic breakdowns are.
Yes, the neglect of our nation’s mental health is screwing every facet of society. The in-fighting that’s exploded since the election results came out is heart-breaking to see. Victims blaming victims, while the rich and the politicians who’ve spent decades using their money and power to actively withhold health care, attack the educational system, and sow this distrust in the first place are, once again, getting away without blame.
Trump’s not going to fix any of that. I’m going to keep bringing the focus to him and his ilk, because as easy as it is to lash out at each other, the blame squarely falls on the powerful people who’ve created this environment.
The thing not helping is that they voted for a fascist murderer that will rob and ruin the planet then die
And women are losing control over their own bodies
Women are losing their rights but we need to stop and consider how the men who voted for a convicted felon authoritarian rapist are the real victims here.
It’s not all men, but as an American man, there is a lot of trash in this country.
Men are getting some hate when every other group in the country gets more hate by the majority and then men lash out when they do the majority of the crimes. They have held all the power by majority for all of known history. So they lash out.
The abuser is crying because it gets a bit of its medicine now it wants to actively harm others more. Be better and you won’t be hated. I don’t have problems with minorities and women why I support them. It’s called being one of the good one’s and having empathy. I understand why someone would be apprehensive when I walk in the room. I could sell them out and jail them or SA them and get away with it for all they know. Earn trust.
Where have I heard “one of the good ones” before?
I’m a cishet white man, so let me say: it’s our fault. You can keep shitting on us
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Thank you for proving my point
Funnily enough, my disagreeing with you doesn’t make me a rapist or a sexual assailant
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Yeah I’m “butthurt” that the worlds most powerful “democracy” just elected a fascist. What are you 12?
edit: I disagree with the mod action above. People should be able to see how infantile the conversation has become and maybe reflect on how we got here.
Well, to be fair we are both butthurt about the election in that case.
And sure, maybe my sense of humor is juvenile, but you really could use a chill pill. Just because they don’t agree with you doesn’t mean anyone accused you of being a rapist.
Edit: and fwiw, while I don’t really think I was being uncivil, I don’t blame the mod. It was a bit silly of a joke, and clearly your reaction shows it didn’t come across as light-hearted as I intended it.
Shit on men. Call the conservatives nazis when it’s the Black, Asian, and Latino voters who carried this election. Repeat quotes out of context. Spread lies. That’s how we get more people on our side, right??
No worries. The people in question don’t even know Lemmy exists. This is just venting in the wind.
