I’m curious how software can be created and evolve over time. I’m afraid that at some point, we’ll realize there are issues with the software we’re using that can only be remedied by massive changes or a complete rewrite.

Are there any instances of this happening? Where something is designed with a flaw that doesn’t get realized until much later, necessitating scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch?

  • @deadbeef79000
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    What we wanted: Wayland.

    What we needed: X12, X13…

      • @deadbeef79000
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        That’s kind of what I was trying to imply.

        We needed a new X with some of the archaic crap removed. I.e. no one needs X primitives anymore, everything is its own raster now (or whatever it’s called).

        Evolving X would have given us incremental improvements over time… Eventually resulting in something like Wayland.

    • Spectranox
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      What was stopping X just undergoing some gutting? I get it’s old and covered in dust and cobwebs but look, those can be cleaned off.

      “Scoop out the tumors, and put some science stuff in ya”, the company that produced that quote went on to develop the most advanced AGI in the world and macro-scale portable on-demand indestructible teleportation.

      • Melmi
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        52 months ago

        I would rather X didn’t get access to deadly neurotoxin, thanks

      • Possibly linux
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        12 months ago

        Because we no longer have mainframes in computer labs. Each person now has there own machine.

        • @[email protected]
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          32 months ago

          And yet I play modern games on modern hardware with X just fine. It’s been extended a little bit since the 80s.

          • PrimalHero
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            Yes it works but it everything is glued together with duct tape

              • PrimalHero
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                What part of 40 year old code that is so messed up that it’s not cleanable any more do you not understand.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Of course it is. That’s propaganda. It’s hard, but possible. Probably not as hard as fighting Nvidia for 15 years either.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    Simply put, no one with the necessary skills has come forward and demonstrated the willingness to do the work. No programmer I’ve ever met enjoys wrestling with other people’s crufty old code. It isn’t fun, it isn’t creative, and it’s often an exercise in, “What the unholy fsck was whoever wrote this thinking, and where did I put the ‘Bang head here’ mousepad?” So getting volunteers to mop out the bilges only happens when someone really wants to keep a particular piece of software working. It’s actually more difficult than getting people to contribute to a new project.

                    So getting rid of X’s accumulated legacy cruft isn’t impossible, but I suspect someone would need to set up the “Clean up X” foundation and offer money for it to actually happen. (I’m no happier about that than you, by the way.)

                  • PrimalHero
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                    Dude what are you smoking?
                    clean it up yourself if you love it so much

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        Imagine calling developers who have a cold relationship with Nvidia due to Nvidia doing the bare minimum for Linux development “bigots” lol

        I think you must be a fanboy. “Bigotry” towards a multi trillion dollar company lmao. What an absurd thought.

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          I’m no fanboy of any video card. I just have ton of laptops with NVidia in them, and the bigots making Wayland never gave a darn about our plight… and then they started pushing distros to switch before they did anything to fix it. Their callous attitude toward the largest desktop linux userbase is insulting and pushing the distros before they fix the problem should be criminal. Every one of them should be put away for trying to ruin Linux by abandoning it’s largest desktop user base. We dislike them, dislike them so much.

          Now, will it keep us from using that crap when it finally works? No. We don’t have much choice. They’ve seen to that. x11 will go the way of the dodo. But can we dislike them forever for dragging us through the mud until they were finally forced to fix the darn thing? Yeah. Wish them nothing but the worst.

          • @[email protected]
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            12 months ago

            Nobody is being “bigoted” to Nvidia lmao, get some perspective.

            And if you’re this butthurt Bout Wayland, don’t use it. I’ve been using it for years without issue, because I didn’t choose a hardware manufacturer that’s actively hostile to Linux. Nvidia is too bigoted for me, unfortunately.