Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!
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Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.
So, how’s it going?
Oh I misunderstood. I thought the scenario was most people are infecters and a small number as susceptible, if that’s reversed that changes things a lot, or at least a bit.
I disagree about lockdowns and internment, though. If approx 10% of people are lefthanded (says wikipedia) then this is still a very large group of people spreading it.
Firstly, unless the assumption is that we already know it’s left-handed people spreading it, I think we will see a lot of other patterns and take many months to decide it’s definitely the handedness thing. This is especially true if a small number of right-handed people people are catching it. So I think any initial action will not involve this categorisation.
Given lockdown fatigue, and the global swing towards right wing parties (parties of “personal responsibility”) then I don’t think we will see any mandatory enforcements at all. Probably in NZ just a recommendation to mask up and work from home if possible.
From a political and civil stability point of view, I don’t believe any government will get support from the population to lock up 10% of the population. You’ll have all the 10% against it, all the people that believe it’s illegal or immoral, all the people that don’t believe in the virus, all the people that just don’t think the government should be stepping in.
Probably some countries will try it, some will have more things they will try, and there will be a lot of discussion about what is or isn’t acceptable. But in NZ I can’t imagine the government taking too many measures. We would probably see the health system smashed, but if the virus works quickly then we might just put sick people in a ward together and just wait for them to recover/die because we wouldn’t have the staff to treat everyone.
I think that the time delay between infection and symptoms/death is what would drive the most decisions.
If the time delay between infection and death is short ~1 week; then the lockdown/internment scenario is likely. If however the time delay is long ~3 months or so, then we would be looking at different outcome and the time delay would complicate things hugely, but give us time to react.
The rate of transmission would weigh heavily on decisions also. If we assume a high transmission rate (R0 > 2) with a short time between infection and infectiousness; there would be little we could do to slow the transmission.
As for the appetite for lockdown; if 1 in 6 people were dying; the bodies would quickly pile up and something would break. With the eventual death toll of 830k - 930k just in NZ; society would fracture quite quickly. We couldn’t handle that kind of volume; mass graves would be needed.
Yeah you make some good points. It it was as contagious as COVID but killed 16-18% then that’s probably going to be tough for any government to ignore.
It would also depend on how long people stayed infectious. If there wasn’t this separation of handedness, I’d point out that a disease with a kill rate of 16-18% would not spread well (assuming a short period until death). Viruses that kill too fast have trouble spreading. Adding in the relatively large group of people that spread without dying means the virus can spread dispite the high kill rate, so that addition changes this from a localised concern for the country of origin to a worldwide disaster!