Seems like this could be a tricky problem because the best thing for them is to work and learn, but I can understand how that could possibly be abused. I would guess its typically a good thing, but then gets abused at times.
An inmate makes between 10¢ and 65¢ per hour, with the majority being paid less than 25¢ per hour. According to the 13th Amendment, they don’t need to be paid at all.
Here’s an article on some of the food, cotton, and tobacco industry brands that take advantage of the cheap labor.
I dont think its exploitation unless they are being left in prison for longer due to the need for their labor. Outside of learning/rehabilitation, what in prison do you want them do to that is better than work?
I could agree with the idea that they are paid a fair wage if they also have to pay for the costs of their imprisonment. And that actually might be a good way to get them back and ready for society. Outside of the bullshit pretend ways that people are “rehabilitated” what is a better way than actually working? I have nothing against reading books and talking to whoever, but that only gets men so far, most men (especially the kind the get to prison) need to work with their hands and learn by doing.
Prisoners end up getting released and indebted, which is a terrible recipe for recidivism.
The cost of imprisonment is a public service to keep society safe and functioning. And it should be kept to a minimum, which means ensuring that inmates actually have a chance of leading a good life once released. They can’t do that if they are starting from scratch or debt.
I understand that prisons are part of the costs of government, but if you are wanting them to get paid fairly then I dont want people that have done bad to get free room and board.
“People who have done bad” is incredibly subjective.
And regardless of what you want, it is better for society that people have a good chance of starting a better life when they get out of prison. Not only is that cheaper in the long run, but it’s also a matter of safety. The cheapest and safest move is to release them debt free with their earnings from their work.
And it isn’t free room and board, it’s imprisonment.
I don’t think years of no work are great for rehab. It makes it tough to adjust back into the flow of work once you’re out, when you’re already going to have a hard time getting back into the job market.
Work can be a part of the rehab process! Training for new jobs can be massive. Many crimes are due to socioeconomic struggles, so training can end this cycle, along with free education and support so that poorer people can still have time to go to college even if they dom’t make much money.
Seems like this could be a tricky problem because the best thing for them is to work and learn, but I can understand how that could possibly be abused. I would guess its typically a good thing, but then gets abused at times.
An inmate makes between 10¢ and 65¢ per hour, with the majority being paid less than 25¢ per hour. According to the 13th Amendment, they don’t need to be paid at all.
Here’s an article on some of the food, cotton, and tobacco industry brands that take advantage of the cheap labor.
This is not rehabilitation. It’s exploitation.
I dont think its exploitation unless they are being left in prison for longer due to the need for their labor. Outside of learning/rehabilitation, what in prison do you want them do to that is better than work?
Typically solitary confinement is used as punishment for not working.
So esentially, “work or get brain damage” is the motto of prisons. Couple that with it being a for-profit system, it is very clearly exploitation.
I could agree with the idea that they are paid a fair wage if they also have to pay for the costs of their imprisonment. And that actually might be a good way to get them back and ready for society. Outside of the bullshit pretend ways that people are “rehabilitated” what is a better way than actually working? I have nothing against reading books and talking to whoever, but that only gets men so far, most men (especially the kind the get to prison) need to work with their hands and learn by doing.
By and large that is already how it works, and it is fundamentally broken:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/paying-your-time-how-charging-inmates-fees-behind-bars-may-violate
Prisoners end up getting released and indebted, which is a terrible recipe for recidivism.
The cost of imprisonment is a public service to keep society safe and functioning. And it should be kept to a minimum, which means ensuring that inmates actually have a chance of leading a good life once released. They can’t do that if they are starting from scratch or debt.
I understand that prisons are part of the costs of government, but if you are wanting them to get paid fairly then I dont want people that have done bad to get free room and board.
“People who have done bad” is incredibly subjective.
And regardless of what you want, it is better for society that people have a good chance of starting a better life when they get out of prison. Not only is that cheaper in the long run, but it’s also a matter of safety. The cheapest and safest move is to release them debt free with their earnings from their work.
And it isn’t free room and board, it’s imprisonment.
The best thing for the imprisoned is a justice system focused on rehabilitation into society, not forced labor and punishment.
I don’t think years of no work are great for rehab. It makes it tough to adjust back into the flow of work once you’re out, when you’re already going to have a hard time getting back into the job market.
Work can be a part of the rehab process! Training for new jobs can be massive. Many crimes are due to socioeconomic struggles, so training can end this cycle, along with free education and support so that poorer people can still have time to go to college even if they dom’t make much money.
Forced labor should be abolished.