• WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    202
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    Luckily, we can choose to reject reality and believe whatever makes us feel better.

    I feel best believing the biosphere is gonna force humanity to “find out” for the last century of fuckin around with a recklessly unplanned terraform.

      • Striker@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        54
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        You can always find these people and make them find out. They are actively committing genocide against the human race.

          • minorsecond@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            29
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Why does it seem like there are a ton more conservatives here on Lemmy than there were on Reddit?

              • minorsecond@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                31
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                I don’t know how I feel about it. On one hand, it makes for less of an echo chamber. On the other hand, their thoughts are fucking stupid and it hurts my brain to see them.

                • Pons_Aelius@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  16
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  They have the right to be here and express their thoughts.

                  What they don’t have is a right to our attention.

                  Ignore them and block accounts that get annoying.

              • minorsecond@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                7
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                I mean, I think they’re definitely still in the minority. It seems like there’s a larger proportion of them here than on reddit. I see more of their opinions here. Maybe that’s just how the algo works here regarding upvotes & downvotes and how comments are displayed.

                • AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s worst on lemmy.world I’ve noticed. Beehaw was right to defederate. Y’all need to tell them in the kindest possible words to go die over and over again until they don’t come back or you’ll end up like voat.

            • Bleeping Lobster@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              20
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Happy to have them here. I almost never agree with them, but not only is it good to have your opinion challenged (though often wearying to have to repeat yourself), it’s good for THEM to have their opinion challenged too. Maybe only 1/100 will change their opinion after being challenged and seeing that their opinion is very much in the minority, but that’s 1/100 more than if we were all chatting away in a safe space with no opposing views.

              (and to be clear, no I don’t think shit like nazis, devout racists etc is an ‘opposing view’ that deserves any debate)

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              For every person that choose to leave reddit…

              There’s 5-10 “conservatives” who were ip banned and dont have a choice between Reddit and Lemmy.

            • ShakyPerception@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              10
              arrow-down
              10
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              They are not getting down-voted into nothingness for refusing to tow the party line.

              I appreciate the variety of opinions presented here. Plus (in my experience) the conversation has been civil.

              • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                15
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Yeah. I hardcore disagree with conservatives as a libertarian socialist myself, but I always want to hear what people who disagree with me (and people who agree with me) are saying, and engage in civil conversation with people who actually believe what they say.

                The problem for me comes when shills (people who don’t believe what they say but get paid to say it) come into the conversation, or when people use outright disingenuous arguments (usually strawmans).

                  • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    You very well may be correct, but I always like to assume people are good and are arguing in good faith until proven otherwise.

                    If I can “steelman” (opposite of strawman) their position, and argue against it easilly, I see no reason not to do so, and that also makes for a better argument for other people viewing the comment thread who may believe the false notion that climate change is either fake or not caused by humans.

                    To me, trying to argue that climate change is fake or not caused by humans is the same as trying to argue that the Earth is flat. Very easy to debunk.

                  • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    5
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    If they actually believe it, I would like to argue the factual point, which is very easy to do. If they don’t believe what they are saying, then yes, I have a problem with it.

                    There is plenty of evidence pointing to the fact that climate change is real and that it is caused by humans. If they choose to not listen to evidence and hard facts, then they lost the debate. If they say that big money funded those studies, simply point them to the Big Oil-funded studies claiming that climate change is false, and the fact that they originally found that it was true, and then tried to bury it.

                • ShakyPerception@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  while I do completely agree with Apple depressing lack of any innovation recently, until modern foldable phones become commonplace, there is only so much you can do with a brick of glass.

                • Fisting for Freedom@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  That’s kind of a dumb way to make the point. Innovation isn’t necessarily apparent in a photo with no context or information. A bronze sword and a steel sword still both look like swords, but there a huge technological difference between them.

                • jerkface@lemmy.ca
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Hey, they came up with some interesting colours no one has used in 80 years.

              • very smart Idiot@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                27
                ·
                1 year ago

                No, but it takes a person to control a company. A Person to direct the goals of a company. So I guess Tim Apple is somewhat involved if there is innovation or not.

              • very smart Idiot@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                5
                arrow-down
                46
                ·
                1 year ago

                Man I am kinda sorry, that I invade your worldview.

                But rich people don’t have all their money stored in a vault like Dagobert Duck. It’s all stocks.

                And boy, if one of the companies make losses, then their money goes downhill. It’s volatile.

                And due to immense concurrence in innovation in the tech sector, every investor has a huge interest in innovation.

                And with many investment, the start of a company is ensured.

                The current capitalism is the system that works best.

                Especially the US capitalism is one hell of a driver in innovation. I live in Germany and many companies wouldn’t be possible here. Even though we have capitalism, it’s much softer than its US counterpart.

                The downside of course is poverty for cheaper labour.

                And that’s brutal, but it’s the reality we live in.

                Though I wouldn’t want to live in the US without healthcare, on the counter side I wouldn’t want to start a company here in Europe.

              • very smart Idiot@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                1 year ago

                English is not my primary language. I believe it was explosion motor what you have written at first.

                And while I am no expert of the workings of a modern combustion engine, I do indeed have an understanding of how a combustion engine works.

                I also know what reaction takes place and I know the average fuel consumption of an average European car.

                • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I also know what reaction takes place

                  If it’s not an explosion, what is it?

                  Because literally any other answer that’s not a synonym for explosion is wrong…

                  • very smart Idiot@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    3
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    It’s a controlled combustion. Not an explosion. Explosion is uncontrolled expansion of gases (also includes expansion without chemical reaction)

          • very smart Idiot@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            I give you that. Just a few were directly involved in innovation.

            But the rich do quite successfully create the framework conditions for innovation and development. Mostly driven by profit, but a world based purely on goodwill fails at the first doubter, the first who does not want to participate. So capitalism is what we got. And so far it has proven to be more resilient than other systems.

      • DragonAce@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Inspector 5 gave me his blessing!

        How could he bring me into this world knowing I would die?