Filmmaker and entrepreneur Tyler Perry is a billionaire. His Atlanta studios receive massive tax write-offs, premised on the idea that his success will inspire others. If that sounds familiar, it’s because it’s a liberal version of trickle-down economics.
Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Two of those links are to his own website that he has to promote himself.
Also, neoliberal or not, Tyler Perry is deeply conservative in many ways, including his focus on self-glorifying private charity over supporting the many public programs and NGOs that are much more effective at alleviating poverty like he’s claiming to attempt.
Those are all examples of him donating to charity and helping people which is the opposite of pretending.
And why are you referring to him as a neoliberal? The article mentioned liberals in the American politics context. Which has nothing to do with neoliberalism.
Just because he chose to donate to charity doesn’t mean he ‘chose it over supporting public programs’.
I’ve donated to charity before. Does that mean I am I neoliberal that is deeply conservative etc, etc? Nope. I just wanted to help and if that wasn’t the most effective way to help then I just didn’t know of a better way.
Liberal = neoliberalism. Democrats are neolibs, self identified liberals and most “progressives” are neolibs that don’t understand what neoliberalism is. Political conversations at the very least need to come from a mutual understanding of what words mean, and liberal is a pretty important one in the context of this conversation.
Also, philanthropy is a scam. The only thing Tyler Perry is helping is his PR, like every other rich person that “uplifts their community”. Its a farce to trick people like you into being more content with the status quo. I will agree that singling out Tyler Perry here is an odd move because he isn’t doing anything unique, but that’s about it
You’re trying to claim that the article is using the definition of neoliberalism when referring to liberals in American politics? That’s observably false. Just look at the context.
The article tries to spin this as a “gotcha” because those who American Conservatives call “liberals” in American politics campaign against trickle down economics.
Do neoliberals campaign against trickle down economics? Nope.
Reaganomics pushed trickle down economics in the 80s and was neoliberal to the core.
American Conservative’s use of “Liberal” ≠ neoliberalism
_ If you’re so insistent that liberal has a special American™ definition, then what is it? _
I’m not insistent on anything. Just pointing out what you acknowledge in your first paragraph, that Liberal in American politics doesn’t fit your definition.
_ How is it different from neoliberalism?_
Well, neoliberalism promotes income inequality and those that American Conservatives call Liberals campaign against income inequality.
_ Is it useful in the broader conversation?_
Is what useful? In what broader conversation?
_ Is there an already existing word that would fit the American version of liberal?_
Probably.
_ If there is, shouldn’t that word be used instead to avoid miscommunication_
In a perfect world, yes. But American Conservatives misuse titles like “liberals”, “communist” and “socialists” to push their agenda. It happens so much that the meanings of these words have changed in American politics. They do it so they can paint liberals as neoliberals and say ‘hey look! Democrats support trickle down economics too! Both sides are the same!’
Or to pretend like helping Americans in need is socialism and will result in the same outcome as socialist nations that have failed, etc.
So to ignore what they are trying to do and stick to the original definitions of these words will just reinforce their base’s views of those ideologies.
It’s easier to reach their base by saying ‘If it’s socialism to make sure that American’s have affordable healthcare then I guess I’m a socialist’. Thus changing what those ideologies are in the eyes of American conservatives.
I commented earlier, having only skimmed the article. What I said was incorrect so I deleted the comment. The article is literally about the hypocrisy of Democrats in regards to trickle down economics. They say they’re against neoliberalism, yet give wealthy individuals sweetheart deals, allow then to exploit tax loopholes and divert public funds into 0rivaye enterprises. These are all features of trickle down economics which are present in Tyler Perry’s actions in Atlanta, a Democrat run city.
The journalist’s use of liberal is correct and they’re highlighting examples of neoliberal ideology in the Democrat party. Despite the rhetoric of the Democrat party, their actions smack of neoliberalism. Outside of the handful of social democrats present in the Democrat party, who is campaigning against trickle down economics? Where have they been successful/made an earnest attempt?
American conservatives are fascists. Words mean nothing to them and it’s a very common tactic to obfuscate the definitions of common terms to serve their own purposes. Why should anyone use their definitions or consider their perspective? They constantly change both of those to fit their needs in the moment.
Again, the article isn’t using the conservative “definition” of liberal, it’s using the actual definition of liberal. If anything you seem to be applying the conservative definition of liberal to the article and the obvious conflict of that is leading you to confusion
You’re trying to pretend that the deals city officials make to bring in business that leads to more jobs and revenue is the same as tax cuts for the rich that conservatives campaign for.
Those two things aren’t the same and this is an obvious attempt to portray it that way to claim both sides are the same.
Seeing as the most wealthy people in this country have the majority of their wealth tied up in their businesses, and their businesses have an obligation to enrich their shareholders, of which they are usually majority stakeholders; getting tax cuts not only on their business, but on their personal wealth as well, yeah they’re the same. They’re siphoning money out of their business to line their pockets, all while getting tax breaks and subsidies from the government.
They get tax cuts, they provide low paying, low quality jobs, funnel as much of the revenue to the top as they can (while doing everything they can to avoid paying taxes in the process) all while driving out local businesses, extracting wealth from these communities in exchange for “jobs” (as few as possible at that). It may not be called trickle down economics, but the thought process and material effects of it on individuals and communities are identical.
Big corps don’t need tax cuts, they don’t need subsidies, they don’t provide good wages, they’re a parasite. Democrats giving deals to big businesses is very much the same as tax cuts to billionaires, because it is quite literally tax cuts to billionaires. They are the same. Get your head out of your ass and realize that the only thing the Democratic party gives a shit about is staying in power.
All of their “left-leaning” pandering is insincere propaganda meant to keep you voting blue because “were gonna do something about the fascists this time, pinky promise!” Pull your head out of your ass, read a book or two, and get active. Joe isn’t going to save you, the system is incapable of saving you, no one in the government with any power to change your material conditions is going to. Our government is by the wealthy, for the wealthy. And you’re not wealthy.
Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Two of those links are to his own website that he has to promote himself.
Also, neoliberal or not, Tyler Perry is deeply conservative in many ways, including his focus on self-glorifying private charity over supporting the many public programs and NGOs that are much more effective at alleviating poverty like he’s claiming to attempt.
Those are all examples of him donating to charity and helping people which is the opposite of pretending.
And why are you referring to him as a neoliberal? The article mentioned liberals in the American politics context. Which has nothing to do with neoliberalism.
Just because he chose to donate to charity doesn’t mean he ‘chose it over supporting public programs’.
I’ve donated to charity before. Does that mean I am I neoliberal that is deeply conservative etc, etc? Nope. I just wanted to help and if that wasn’t the most effective way to help then I just didn’t know of a better way.
Ok, you clearly don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. We’re done here.
If that’s true then explain why you think so.
Liberal = neoliberalism. Democrats are neolibs, self identified liberals and most “progressives” are neolibs that don’t understand what neoliberalism is. Political conversations at the very least need to come from a mutual understanding of what words mean, and liberal is a pretty important one in the context of this conversation.
Also, philanthropy is a scam. The only thing Tyler Perry is helping is his PR, like every other rich person that “uplifts their community”. Its a farce to trick people like you into being more content with the status quo. I will agree that singling out Tyler Perry here is an odd move because he isn’t doing anything unique, but that’s about it
You’re trying to claim that the article is using the definition of neoliberalism when referring to liberals in American politics? That’s observably false. Just look at the context.
The article tries to spin this as a “gotcha” because those who American Conservatives call “liberals” in American politics campaign against trickle down economics.
Do neoliberals campaign against trickle down economics? Nope.
Reaganomics pushed trickle down economics in the 80s and was neoliberal to the core.
American Conservative’s use of “Liberal” ≠ neoliberalism
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_ If you’re so insistent that liberal has a special American™ definition, then what is it? _
I’m not insistent on anything. Just pointing out what you acknowledge in your first paragraph, that Liberal in American politics doesn’t fit your definition.
_ How is it different from neoliberalism?_
Well, neoliberalism promotes income inequality and those that American Conservatives call Liberals campaign against income inequality.
_ Is it useful in the broader conversation?_
Is what useful? In what broader conversation?
_ Is there an already existing word that would fit the American version of liberal?_
Probably.
_ If there is, shouldn’t that word be used instead to avoid miscommunication_
In a perfect world, yes. But American Conservatives misuse titles like “liberals”, “communist” and “socialists” to push their agenda. It happens so much that the meanings of these words have changed in American politics. They do it so they can paint liberals as neoliberals and say ‘hey look! Democrats support trickle down economics too! Both sides are the same!’
Or to pretend like helping Americans in need is socialism and will result in the same outcome as socialist nations that have failed, etc.
So to ignore what they are trying to do and stick to the original definitions of these words will just reinforce their base’s views of those ideologies.
It’s easier to reach their base by saying ‘If it’s socialism to make sure that American’s have affordable healthcare then I guess I’m a socialist’. Thus changing what those ideologies are in the eyes of American conservatives.
I commented earlier, having only skimmed the article. What I said was incorrect so I deleted the comment. The article is literally about the hypocrisy of Democrats in regards to trickle down economics. They say they’re against neoliberalism, yet give wealthy individuals sweetheart deals, allow then to exploit tax loopholes and divert public funds into 0rivaye enterprises. These are all features of trickle down economics which are present in Tyler Perry’s actions in Atlanta, a Democrat run city.
The journalist’s use of liberal is correct and they’re highlighting examples of neoliberal ideology in the Democrat party. Despite the rhetoric of the Democrat party, their actions smack of neoliberalism. Outside of the handful of social democrats present in the Democrat party, who is campaigning against trickle down economics? Where have they been successful/made an earnest attempt?
American conservatives are fascists. Words mean nothing to them and it’s a very common tactic to obfuscate the definitions of common terms to serve their own purposes. Why should anyone use their definitions or consider their perspective? They constantly change both of those to fit their needs in the moment.
Again, the article isn’t using the conservative “definition” of liberal, it’s using the actual definition of liberal. If anything you seem to be applying the conservative definition of liberal to the article and the obvious conflict of that is leading you to confusion
You’re trying to pretend that the deals city officials make to bring in business that leads to more jobs and revenue is the same as tax cuts for the rich that conservatives campaign for.
Those two things aren’t the same and this is an obvious attempt to portray it that way to claim both sides are the same.
Seeing as the most wealthy people in this country have the majority of their wealth tied up in their businesses, and their businesses have an obligation to enrich their shareholders, of which they are usually majority stakeholders; getting tax cuts not only on their business, but on their personal wealth as well, yeah they’re the same. They’re siphoning money out of their business to line their pockets, all while getting tax breaks and subsidies from the government.
They get tax cuts, they provide low paying, low quality jobs, funnel as much of the revenue to the top as they can (while doing everything they can to avoid paying taxes in the process) all while driving out local businesses, extracting wealth from these communities in exchange for “jobs” (as few as possible at that). It may not be called trickle down economics, but the thought process and material effects of it on individuals and communities are identical.
Big corps don’t need tax cuts, they don’t need subsidies, they don’t provide good wages, they’re a parasite. Democrats giving deals to big businesses is very much the same as tax cuts to billionaires, because it is quite literally tax cuts to billionaires. They are the same. Get your head out of your ass and realize that the only thing the Democratic party gives a shit about is staying in power.
All of their “left-leaning” pandering is insincere propaganda meant to keep you voting blue because “were gonna do something about the fascists this time, pinky promise!” Pull your head out of your ass, read a book or two, and get active. Joe isn’t going to save you, the system is incapable of saving you, no one in the government with any power to change your material conditions is going to. Our government is by the wealthy, for the wealthy. And you’re not wealthy.
Yes, they do. Obama, both Clintons, and to a lesser extent Biden are all at least predominantly driven by neoliberal ideology.
The caricature of neoliberalism as an unchanging belief brought forth immaculately by Regan and Thatcher is what they don’t align with.
Real neoliberalism, in actual practice, prefers market solutions with the government working to address externalities in the system.
It’s basically what broad-spectrum liberals and progressives across the board want, which is why socialists demonize it so much.