• Pipoca@lemmy.world
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    A better example than pork products might be abortion.

    There are literally no Jewish groups that are anywhere near as hard-line on abortion as Christians are. And the pro-life crowd would be quite upset if the laws on abortion were written by either reform or conservative rabbis.

    The problem with Mike Johnson’s position is that once you get past the basics like “don’t murder”, religions disagree significantly on the specifics. For example, according to Orthodox Judaism, you must abort a fetus that’s threatening the mothers life, while some Christians would call that murder.

    There’s no such thing as generic “faith based principles” to base a government on; at some point you simply have to pick which religions’ principles you’ll enshrine.

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      The reason for the abortion policy in Judaism is that Judaism sees the fetus as merely “potential life” and part of the woman’s body until it is born. There are Jewish groups fighting against the Republicans’ restrictive abortion bans because they are based on Christianity’s views of the life of the fetus and infringe on Jewish views.

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      you must abort a fetus that’s threatening the mothers life, while some Christians would call that murder.

      If the mother dies and the baby hasn’t been born yet, then two people have died. Aborting a life threatening fetus is the only sane course of action, as you are not ending one life, you’re saving those who can still be saved.

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        There’s a bunch of different kinds of ethics. That’s a very consequentialist, pragmatic take. I mean, I agree that it’s the moral action here, but your argument for it is very consequentialist.

        Some religions take a more deontological view of ethics, where actions are right or wrong based on the action itself, rather than on the consequence it has.

        For example, in Judaism, if a group of Nazis says “give us one of you to shoot or we’ll shoot you all”, then you’re supposed to let your entire group get shot because killing an innocent to save your own life is wrong (though killing the nazis would be acceptable because they’re aggressors in this situation). It sounds like you would call that insane, because the whole group dies instead of just one member.