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    to make sure we all die as soon as possible?

    Crazy how you people think it’s going to come to that.

    I’m just going to move where it’s safe.

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            Thanks. It’s better than sitting around and dying because other people didn’t solve my problems for me.

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              There’s a solution. It’s just not a peaceful one. And when we don’t act on that solution, there will be no corner of the planet safe from hunger, thirst, sickness and desperation.

              Whatever resources and whatever security you think you can muster on your little slice of salvation will not be enough.

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                What do you think the solution is? If it’s “kill the rich,” I got some bad news for you. Who takes their place? This is what I mean by a cultural shift. As long as we pride ourselves on funneling as much wealth to as few people as possible, these problems will not go away. In fact, they will continue to get worse.

                Whatever resources and whatever security you think you can muster on your little slice of salvation will not be enough.

                Lol, speak for yourself.

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                  Corporate pollutors are protected by conservatives. Getting rid of conservatives will involve violence. If we are successful in voting them out, then they will become violent. If we are unsuccessful in voting them out, then they will use their postions to oppress us… Which leads to violent resistance. When that fails, then we also try to relocate and brace for the trouble ahead.

                  That’s where we find neighbors with opposing ideologies who have resources we need. I blame conservatives squarely for the destruction of the environment. As such, I do not see conservative neighbors as humans. I see them as resources. So, when you move, make sure not to move near me or I might want a cup of sugar from my new neighbor! 😀

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                    Lol, what? Neither side wants to stop using fossil fuels because it helps keep America ahead of its adversaries.

                    Here, fresh off the presses: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/09/alaska-willow-oil-drilling-environment

                    A federal judge has upheld the Biden administration’s approval of the Willow oil-drilling project in a remote part of northern Alaska in a move that environmental groups warned will have “tragic consequences” for the Arctic.

                    Hate to say it, but you’ve fallen for the tribalism meme. Try to be more independent to get a clearer picture of the world around you.

                    Democrats and republicans are just looking out for different rich people. In many ways, they’re just looking out for the same rich people.

                    Progressives are the only ones who fight for meaningful change, which is why there are so few of them and they aren’t taken seriously by the majority. We, as a society, do not want to solve these problems. We care more about looking good in front of our greedy and entitled peers.

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                  Definitely need a massive cultural shift to the point of things looking nothing like they do today in terms of power and government.

                  We would be swimming upstream… No more like a goldfish trying to swim up and open firehose.

                  So I predict that we won’t do much until we hit a billion or two dead (maybe 50-75 heard? Idk). Hopefully we will start to take real action before governments are collapsing from climate refugees and death. If not then we will keep dying off and the problem solves itself as greenhouse gas emissions plummet by several orders of magnitude.

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        No just move where it’s safe for the remainder of my lifetime. Which is only like 50 more years at best. And have no kids.

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        Difference is most people will wait until it’s too late.

        Those who get in early will be in a prime position to take advantage of those who don’t.

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          Those who get in early will be in a prime position to take advantage of those who don’t.

          I really hope we go extinct.

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          The people getting in early are billionaires and they’re buying private islands.

          Nowhere else will be safe because of both climate change and the mass migration it will cause. The safest bet is probably building strong communities and practicing mutual aid. Which sounds like the opposite of your intentions.

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            Nowhere else will be safe because of both climate change and the mass migration it will cause.

            Lol, this isn’t true but I’m not going to sit here and argue with you.

            Just wait a few years and we can both see if our worst fears come to fruition.

            Have a good day.

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              I guess if you move off the grid, sure and more power to you.

              Most safe places, like the Great Lakes Region for example, are going to see a lot of migration in the next ten years.

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          Oh yeah, refugees desperate to get somewhere never cause a problem for those living in that place. You’ll be fine for sure.

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              I’d rather be dead quickly than torn apart by an angry mob who don’t like the fact that I’ve been living a sustainable life while they’re desperate to survive.

              But hey, maybe you like the glint of torchlight on the pitchforks.

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                  Or I know history. What do you think happened to the people living safely in Palestine when Jews were desperate to get out of Europe? Desperate people who want a safe place to live ends up with you getting kicked off your land and possibly killed even though you were there first.

                  When the planet becomes uninhabitable except for a few small areas, where do you think all the people are going to go? What do you think the people not allowed in are going to do once they finally get in to the people who kept them out?

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                    Sure bud. You ‘know history’ and that’s how you can predict my death.

                    You might want to go outside for a bit. See the real world, not just the one in your head.

                    It really sounds like you’re treating your predictions as fact, which isn’t healthy.

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          Yeah climate change isn’t making Nunavut more livable either

          Yukon would be a much better pick

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          What happens when Elon Musk decides to buy your home and you become a serf?

          Or your house gets destroyed by a hurricane?

          Or when the billions of other refugees are pounding in your door?

          Look, maybe a few million people can survive in the upper latitudes but it isn’t going to be nice. You aren’t going to be comfortable or happy or safe. You might live. That’s it. Is that good enough for you?

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            What happens when Elon Musk decides to buy your home and you become a serf?

            I didn’t know money mattered so much when there’s nowhere to spend it.

            Or your house gets destroyed by a hurricane?

            😂

            Or when the billions of other refugees are pounding in your door?

            The billions who “aren’t going to be comfortable or happy or safe.”?

            You aren’t going to be comfortable or happy or safe.

            Nice projection.

            Is that good enough for you?

            Yeah, actually. I don’t ask for much. Have you lived in a major city all your life?

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              I didn’t know money mattered so much when there’s nowhere to spend it.

              Money is just a means of exchange, he’s going to exchange it for something with value. Y’know, like how Bill Gates is investing in farm land.

              The billions who “aren’t going to be comfortable or happy or safe.”?

              The ones fleeing much worse conditions father south? The ones that will do anything for a chance at a better life than what they can get in equatorial hell. You know, like how Hamas just showed us the most high tech border wall with the most high tech army on earth can be overcome with low tech and some bravery.

              You will never be safe.

              Yeah, actually. I don’t ask for much. Have you lived in a major city all your life?

              I live in rural Iowa, but it’s not going to be like that.

              It’ll be more like Libya, but wetter and cooler. Cross that with New York or Tokyo or any other megacity, with everyone who can make it legally cramming themselves in to a tiny land.

              Hope you like having your family kidnapped and sold into McSlavery.