Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib refused to apologize Wednesday for saying on Tuesday that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, an accusation that sparked political backlash against her from Republicans as Israel denies fault.

Tlaib joined thousands of protesters calling for a ceasefire in Gaza during a solidarity rally hosted by the left-leaning group Jewish Voice for Peace at the National Mall. She was visibly emotional, at times pausing her speech to openly weep and criticizing lawmakers who have not backed a ceasefire resolution.

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    It is extreme…

    4,200 murdered, 1 million people displaced all in 10 days. (From a UN article dated the 17th, probably not the current total)

    There’s an esrimated 50,000 pregnant women now without proper healthcare, never mind the those with chronic physical or mental health issues.

    The general population facing lack essentials like food and water.

    Did no one tell you it’s cringe to defend fascist states or does that boot taste nice?

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      And again, perhaps more than that die in the long run when terrorists are capitulated with. Your calls for a ceasefire are to be understood exactly as a call for Israel to return to suffering under hundreds of rockets per day and the threat of another invasion and raping of their people. You demand everyone stop fighting while not acknowledging that at least one of the parties has made the full commitment to destroy the other, no compromises. You ask for peace because it’s easier to ask for peace than to fight for it.

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        You’re putting words in my moyth, we both agree that a ceasefire is not a solution as the injustice will just continue.

        We disagree on solution though, Israel is the occupier and will kill or displace 2 million Palestinians as soon as it can. We didn’t let the Nazi state or fascist italy exist after the war. We now look back and consider Rhodesia and apartheid SA to be bad. The same applies to treatment of natives by most other colonising nations.

        Israel is on the wrong side of history and like all fascist and colonising states it should be torn down.

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          If Israel wanted to kill 2 million people, they wouldn’t tell them to evacuate south. They would just destroy Gaza. Get over yourself. Clearly Israel is at least trying to somewhat minimize damages, but you can’t even admit to that. You have to paint them as genocidal maniacs, completely ignoring Hamas and what they’ve done. You’re not going to convince anyone by lying.

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            I said kill OR displace 2 million, they don’t need to kill to commit war crimes or ethnic cleansing.

            Israel also bombed the supposedly safe route to the south, so there goes the whole benevolent state lie.

            Israel doesn’t minimise damages, it in fact calls for the most extreme revenge against Palestine and minimises the media coverage when it blows back against them.

            No matter what hamas has done it can’t be allowed to deflect from Israeli crimes, Israel has been called out by the UN for committing genocide.

            The fact you compare a terrorist organisation to a state that should be expected to be held to a higher set of standards is pretty damming to that state.

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              Israel also bombed the supposedly safe >route to the south, so there goes the >whole benevolent state lie.

              Did they? Or did Hamas? If it was Israel, do you know why they did it? How are you getting access to that information?

              Israel doesn’t minimise damages, it in >fact calls for the most extreme revenge >against Palestine and minimises the >media coverage when it blows back >against them.

              Is Gaza still there or did they destroy it? Still there? Oh, okay. Is it extreme revenge to spend a week telling civilians to evacuate? Is it extreme to spend the blood of your own soldiers in a ground invasion to destroy an enemy that has sworn to never stop attacking you?

              No matter what hamas has done it can’t >be allowed to deflect from Israeli crimes, >Israel has been called out by the UN for >committing genocide.

              So you’re literally excusing terrorism now. At least you took your mask off.

              The fact you compare a terrorist >organisation to a state that should be >expected to be held to a higher set of >standards is pretty damming to that >state.

              Well they did wait until they were attacked. There’s a reason all of these events are happening right now. Remember what happened on the 7th? Who was responsible for that?

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                Israel was responsible for the 7th, they created the situation and they moved troops from the border to torment the west bank. Israel failed it’s people on that day.

                You try the same old shit, I call out Israeli crimes and you say I’m endorsing terrorism. I can be critical of terrorist organisations at the same time as being critical of nation states.

                Remember Israel just spent 7 million dollars on YouTube ads in the past 10 days, so i hope youre not pushing state propaganda for free, they can well afford to pay you too.

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                  What’s the problem with Israel moving their troops around? There still had to be Hamas who invaded their country, raped their parents, brutalized their children, and uploaded the videos to Facebook. That part you left out?

                  I always think it’s ironic when people argue that literal terrorists aren’t responsible for their actions. “Sure, what Hamas did was bad… but Israel made them do it!” Its exactly like punching someone and claiming they made you punch them. No, they didn’t. You are responsible for your actions, and Hamas is responsible for theirs. You are removing responsibility from a terrorist organization that would kill you without hesitation, do you understand?

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                    Nah you only ask what happened on the 7th, you don’t want anyone to look earlier than that.

                    2023 was already one of the bloodiest years for Palestinians before the 7th.

                    Israel has been punching for years then crys when they get punched back only to punch all the harder while still playing the victim.

                    Ofc they have a responsibility to their own actions but I would view them like the French resistance. Paraphrasing from a BBC article on war crimes committed by the French resistance: you can commit what is morally wrong while still being on the side of righteousness.

                    You are removing responsibility from a state that has a duty to protect it’s people. Never mind that it was very likely they knew something was coming.

                    They would not kill me at all because I’m not a settler living on stolen land. If you are scared that they will kill you you’ve got to ask yourself why. Most people in the world do not live on occupied land and do not live under any such threat.