Hello I’m not a person who is affected by this community moderator but I’m posting on behalf of people who are, since they don’t seem to know of this community yet. I attempted to reach some via DM but I’m not sure they’ll respond. So I’m making this post since I feel this needs to be addressed.
Recently I was made aware of a community that appeared randomly on Lemmy.world. It seems to be a troll community given the type of content, but the reason I’m posting about it here specifically is that this mod seems to be banning anyone who points this out or goes against his narrative. Furthermore he is only using the autoremove on ban function, not removing any content the users have posted, which I believe is deliberate in attempt to prevent the content from showing up under the modlog and revealing the hypocrisy.
Some samples of comments:
Comment from: @[email protected]
Everything else you posted has been pretty cringe but what he fuck is up with this one, dude lol
comment from: @[email protected]
comment from: @[email protected]
First off, nice new community. I look forward to days of quality posts such as this./s
Second, how many Linux distros have this level of data collection, and what is their estimated market share?
All of these were retrieved from the API, even though they aren’t included in the modlogs, I could’ve included more but it’s kind of a time consuming process to look for them and retrieve them. Viewing removed comments is easier on Lemmy than it is on Reddit but it still isn’t easy.
What do you guys think, does this seem like power-tripping? Also does this person’s content seem like blatant troll content?
CC: @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
People who’s comments I mentioned, I CCed them so they know I did this on their behalf
Linuxsucks community? It got to be satirical!
Oh… It’s not…
It could be a place to discuss interesting points, for after all, there are legitimate points to be made. But it’s not…
This is an example of a community I don’t subscribe to, because I’m not the target demographic.
I think a Linux sucks community should exist, it can exist, and if the moderator wants to remove anything about Linux not sucking that’s fine too. The way this moderator is doing it, they should just turn on mod only posting.
I looked at the community sidebar, and one of the community rules is no promoting Linux, no defending Linux, so at least it’s consistent
Lemmy needs a diverse set of voices.
Counterexample: if I go into fuck cars and talk about vehicles in any positive fashion, I’m going to get dog piled and probably banned
I’ve actually been fairly fine in fuck cars, both Reddit and Lemmy editions. I actually like cars, well, some of them anyway.
The difference between [email protected] and linuxsucks is that the first one is largely a fact and logic based community about the problems with car dependency in urban areas, and car-dependent infrastructure.
linuxsucks is a single troll who’s talking shit about linux for seemingly no real reason, some of his posts are insanely illogical, and make very little sense. So yeah I definitely think these communities are anything like each other.
I don’t think you want to create an expectation that communities have to be logical and open to reasoned debate. That’s a lot of work to enforce
I think that there are key differences between
- A community criticising something, backed up by reason and evidence. Even if it’s something popular, doubly true if there’s a circlejerk around that thing. This can and should exist.
- A community created to circlejerk against something, through insane troll “logic” and silencing any dissidence. This is fertile grounds for idiocy and misinformation, thus harmful for the society [I can go further on that if desired] and the Fediverse [ditto], and should not exist.
Sometimes the boundary between both is not clear - but this community, unless it’s a troll comm, falls cleanly into the second case. Specially given how opaque the moderator is trying to be (check how none of the removals appear in the modlog).
Agreed [email protected] is a far superior community in so many ways, best part of all though, they’re not tolerant of slur usage. Which is more than I can say about the one I mentioned in the main post unfortunately.
Interesting to see people who argue for free speech but also are against it.
I unfortunately am starting to lose faith in Lemmy’s desire to reduce toxicity. They just now finally banned Linkerbaan, but it took 11 months of extreme trolling in support of Trump for it to happen. Days before the election, they finally took action. The user is probably laughing his ass off, having already reached 99.9% of the users they were hoping to.
Their cherry on top is they got away with accusing people of supporting/loving genocide hundreds of times unscathed. Most of the time where I witnessed that behavior, the person they attacked hadn’t even expressed any form of support for Israel.
Unless I’m missing something this seems like a significant misrepresentation of that user’s behavior. I found them to be an annoying ideologue but having strong views and a focus on a singular topic isn’t the same as trolling.
Okay well they were banned from the instance for trolling. I think many people thought they clearly were doing so.
Certainly. But I never felt that way.
Technically, they were banned for: “constant attacks on other users, sealioning and general bad faith discussions and baseless accusations” which might be adjacent to trolling but I think is a more fair and objective description of their behavior.
The problem with trolling is that it’s usually not possible to identify with certainty because it depends on a person’s intent and state of mind. In your judgment Linkerbaan was trolling. In mine they weren’t. But who is right? There’s no way to be certain, it’s just a guess based on their behavior. That’s why I don’t think it should be used in moderation decisions. It’s just too subjective.
from their community
Their house. Their rules. You aren’t welcome everywhere. We aren’t ants.
I use arch, btw.
Subscribed! The amount of linux fanboyism on this platform has been insane as of late to where if you even post anything factually negative (yes, Linux can get viruses) you get downvoted to hell. It’s nice to see a counter-culture sub once in a while.
As others have said, if you don’t like it, block it.
As others have said, if you don’t like it, block it.
I didn’t say explicitly that I didn’t like it or that people shouldn’t use it, just that the main mod has been power-tripping and very likely is a troll. So if you want to hang out there that’s fine. Though I wouldn’t expect any kind of content diversity there. It’s likely going to be just be the main mod making posts, which he might even give up on later. It’s also very likely he’ll ban you for a misunderstanding, since some of the people there were banned seemingly for nothing.
You’re aware of the Streisand effect, right? It actually cuts both ways. I browse all and hadn’t even heard of that sub and a lot of others probably haven’t too. But your whining about the mod and community have brought a spotlight to it which raises the amount of attention it gets, probably not in the way you’re wanting.
Yeah but they moderate voluntarily so you should thank them.
![[email protected] mod silently bans people from their community for disagreeing, and tries to hide the comments from being seen in the modlog.](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/9f2537e4-bfdf-43b4-b12a-0012335d0d4d.webp){kind=link}