• richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one
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    However, one can posit that the Gates Foundation is creating a market for vaccines that aren’t of interest in the industrialized nations.

    I’m not sure that subsequent doses are going to be provided as generously as the first ones.

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      That’s not how vaccines work. The illness is already there, it’s not like people get sick after you introduce a vaccine into the system. So the “market” has always been there and every dose administered is great.

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        You don’t understand my point.

        • Sick people receive vaccines for free or very cheap
        • Sick people gets hope of survival to disease, hope which wasn’t previously available.
        • Sick people ask their governments to continue receiving vaccines.
        • People providing vacciones now are charging a lot more to said governments.
        • Profit (which was the whole point, and not any “humanitarian” notions.)

        And the market wasn’t there, because unless there’s some way to create high demand and guaranteed payment in poor countries, there’s no profit in said vaccines (or any medication, for that matter; do you see any multinational farmaceutical companies giving much thought to the creation of medicine to cure Chagas disease? And it’s endemic in many areas of South America. But those are poor areas, so the is no profit there).

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          The problem with your argument is that the Gates foundation is a non-profit. They aren’t trying to make a profit, they’ve burned through tens of billions of dollars in the past 20 years.

          Are you arguing that countries should just let people die from polio rather than accept humanitarian aid or am I missing something?

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          Sick people receive vaccines for free or very cheap

          Awesome, most vaccines last years or even decades, Covid is an outlier because it mutates so rapidly. But “sick people” makes zero sense, you usually get the vaccine before you get sick. That’s the entire point (except for rabies, where you straight up die if you don’t get the vaccine quick enough).

          Sick people gets hope of survival to disease, hope which wasn’t previously available.

          Also great, they get a chance, instead of lifelong suffering or death.

          Sick people ask their governments to continue receiving vaccines.

          Why would they be sick if they got the vaccine? Makes zero sense. The ones asking at this point would be the unvaccinated. Like a mom wanting to vaccinate her kids, so they don’t get a crippling disease later in life.

          People providing vacciones now are charging a lot more to said governments.

          And then the poor countries simply won’t buy them. Because they straight up can’t afford them. There is a reason they aren’t buying vaccines right now: No money. So if they try to charge a lot of money no one will buy and we’ll end up with the current state (just with thousands more who are immune against the disease, which is still an upside).

          Profit (which was the whole point, and not any “humanitarian” notions.)

          You can’t suck blood from a stone, there is no money, so no profit.

          Every single vaccine dose that goes to poor countries is awesome. That’s it. The alternative to getting the vaccine is to catch the disease unprepared and suffer lifelong complications (or straight up die). There is no upside to not delivering vaccines.

          Are you confusing vaccines with medication? For example the Polio vaccine lasts for 10+ years, “sick people” are not repeat customers for vaccines. The only time you have repeat customers is when you are still applying the vaccine (for example Polio needs 5 doses, but then you’re good).

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          This is fundamentally incoherent, vaccines are less profitable than treatments / therapies

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          I thought the foundation’s shady capitalist goals were pretty well known, not sure why you’re downvoted. They are against releasing patent on the covid vaccine, for example, because their goal is for people to profit from it

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      The point of eradication is that once a disease is gone, you don’t need to vaccinate against it any more. You’ve probably never been vaccinated against smallpox, for example.