I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I’ve been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn’t use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won’t help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn’t make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn’t clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

  • Fizz
    619·
    3 days ago

    Its something people say to feel powerful and punk. Most of the people saying it couldn’t snap a twig let alone throw a punch.

    Its similar to the fat boomers on the right who say they are ready to go to war.

    If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it.

      • Count042@lemmy.ml
        5·
        3 days ago

        That’s cause they are a Nazi. Take a look at their apartheid justification in their comments.

        • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world
          3·
          3 days ago

          Well, see. I like to call out folk like this, to get their justifications out in the open. Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all.

        • Fizz
          24·
          3 days ago

          Your entire instance advocates genocide on a daily basis. You have no morals.

          • Count042@lemmy.ml
            2·
            2 days ago

            I have the moral belief that genocide is wrong.

            I use a more strict definition of genocide than the ICJ: Any government that intentionally blocks food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers problematic is a government intentionally committing genocide.

            Again, that is a more strict definition then the ICJ uses.

            Never again meant for everyone.

      • Fizz
        14·
        3 days ago

        None of what I said is strawmanning for nazis.

          • Fizz
            14·
            3 days ago

            I know what a strawman is now what part of my comment was a strawman?

            • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world
              3·
              3 days ago

              Its something people say to feel powerful and punk.

              Diminishing and assigning motive

              Its similar to the fat boomers on the right who say they are ready to go to war.

              And these fat boomers you’re equating are the literal strawmen.

              Are you sure you read the article?

              • Fizz
                13·
                3 days ago

                None of that was used to refute and argument. No where in my comment did I refute an argument or even use that as evidence.

                If you read one line further I say “If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it.” Thats me assuming they are as serious as they say and giving my reason why I think it harms more than helps.

                • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  3 days ago

                  If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it.”

                  You’re directly refuting the sentiment of the argument in that very line. “Nobody wants to actually punch a Nazi because they’re all skinny punks.” Is that not the crux of your argument? Serious question as I’m not trying to misquote or oversimplify.

                  You’ve also said that from the punk shows you went to personally you never saw any Nazis, I posted articles about current Nazis infiltrating punk scenes and the historical context of them doing that.

                  Are you willfully ignorant?