You may have noticed a distinct lack of return2ozma. This is due to their admitting, in a public comment, that their engagement here is in bad faith:

I’m sure there will be questions, let me see if I can address the most obvious ones:

  1. Can I still post negative stuff about Biden?

Absolutely! We have zero interest in running an echo chamber. However, if ALL you’re posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. You get out of the world what you put into it and all that.

  1. Why now?

Presumption of innocence. It may be my own fault, but I do try to think the best of people, and even though they were posting negative articles, they weren’t necessarily WRONG. Biden’s poll numbers, particularly in minority demographics ARE in the shitter. They are starting to get better, but he still has a hell of a hill to climb.

  1. Why a 30 day temp ban and not a permanent ban?

The articles return2ozma shared weren’t bad, faked, or from some wing-nut bias site like “beforeitsnews.com”, they were legitimate articles from established and respected news agencies, pointing out the valid problems Biden faces.

The problem was ONLY posting the negatives, over and over and then openly admitting that dishonest enagement is their purpose.

Had they all been bullshit articles? It would not have taken anywhere near this much time to lay the ban and it would have been permanent.

30 days seems enough time for them to re-think their strategery and come back to engage honestly.

tl;dr - https://youtu.be/C6BYzLIqKB8#t=7s

  • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
    66·
    5 months ago

    Agitation isn’t against the rules as far as I can see, and I’m of the opinion that agitation is an essential part of political activity.

    1. Rule 3 says: “Engage in good-faith and with respect!” Rule 5 says: “This community aims to foster discussion.” Rule 4 says “no trolling.”

    If the behavior in this context is not itself against the rules or bannable, then what is the standard that makes it so? If I said “i think people are too mean to Biden”, and I then exclusively post pro-biden articles (lets say the same number of times as Ozma), have I also broken the rule? Wouldn’t I still be agitating for some perspective? Or would I have to post a certain number of good things? Or is it just a number of posts generally? Or can I admit that I have a bias but i’m required to balance my negative contributions with positive contributions?

    What I said: “It’s not the content, it’s the admission that the behavior was intentionally provocative.”

    What you responded: “If the behavior in this context is not itself against the rules or bannable”

    • It’s not the content. It’s the behavior

    • If the behavior is not against the rules.

    Do you see the disconnect? I can’t help but think you’re trying very hard not to read what other people are writing to you.

    Edit: Apparently I’m not the only one who noticed.

    • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
      55·
      5 months ago

      Rule 3 says: “Engage in good-faith and with respect!” Rule 5 says: “This community aims to foster discussion.” Rule 4 says “no trolling.”

      Am I allowed to agitate my perspective if i’m polite, am open to discussion, and as long as I’m not ‘trolling’? Or are you defining ‘trolling’ and ‘bad faith’ in some way that includes being provocative generally? A post can be intentionally provocative and not be in any way disrespectful or be in bad faith, and it can (and if it’s effective, should) foster discussion. You have yet to describe any objective standard for how this breaks the rules, only that he was ‘intentionally provocative’. That doesn’t strike me as breaking any of the rules you just mentioned.

      I can’t help but think you’re trying very hard not to read what other people are writing to you.

      Yea, I’m familiar with the feeling. I’ll say it again because I don’t think it’s adequately sunk in yet:

      It is the subjective, arbitrary standard of the ban that I’m specifically taking issue with. It is my opinion that simply having a bias and clearly acting in accordance to that bias is not worthy of any kind of ban, 30 days or permanent or otherwise.

      • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
        54·
        5 months ago

        So no, you don’t see it. You’ve ignored too much of what I’m saying for me to be interested in putting energy into another reply that you’ll refuse to engage with.

        Have a good one.