Waterfox is a browser, obviously based on Firefox, but without default “junk” that Firefox comes with.
Don’t see many mentions to Waterfox at all in this community? Are there any specific reasons for it? Seems like a neat version of Firefox, with development based out of the UK.
- Worthwile blogpost on their independence and future updates: https://www.waterfox.net/blog/waterfox-in-2023/
- Project: https://www.waterfox.net
- Flathub: https://flathub.org/apps/net.waterfox.waterfox
Waterfox was bought by an ad company.
Edit: According to this page it’s no longer the case, though I still am not completely comfortable with it.
They were, but as I understand they are once again independent. I’d still rather stick with Librewolf, but I’m glad there are options.
They became independent again last year!
Yeah I found that out as I was looking for sources, but you guys are quick to comment, aha!
Hehe all good 😇
not anymore, they became independent again in 2023
I hate to break it to you but Mozilla, Google and Microsoft are all Advertising companies.
All big tech is. They got big for a reason. Though I find Mozilla much less of a thread than other corps like Google, Meta, Microsoft. Meta I find easy to block as none of their services are actually useful. Google is a tad bit harder, and Microshit creeps in on every spot and I don’t like it.
Meta I find easy to block as none of their services are actually useful.
Oh honey. Meta is still collecting your data, even if you never use their site.
But if you use a private browser and a VPN you’re probably OK.
Eh, I think having a PiHole at home internet and a private DNS on phone is good enough for me. Not to mention uBlock configured with the Anti-Facebook list 🤷♂️
I think that is fair. However, you shouldn’t trust Mozilla more than any other company
Any big company can’t be trusted. They got big with a reason :)
If Mozilla is an ad company, where are their ad revenue stats, like Apple, Google, Amazon and others? Lemmy is acting like a mirror of Reddit, except that both extremes are illogical at many times. Only geopolitical arguments make sense here, I think.
Don’t discuss Geopolitics on Lemmy. It is a bad idea
Mozilla makes money from Firefox pocket and the sponsored part if the Firefox home screen. You can turn those off but it is still advertising
Maybe but it’s a far cry from Mozilla being an advertising company.
They aren’t even remotely close to companies like Google.
They aren’t even remotely close to companies like Google.
That doesn’t mean they don’t operate in the same issue.
If you want proof, just have a quick glance at their privacy policy.
Why is geopolitics bad on Lemmy? You have NATO and Israel preferences?
I do not consider Pocket as evidence of Mozilla being an “advertisement company”. Have you ever donated even a penny to Mozilla at any point in time? Have you offered them a sustainable way to make money, instead of shitting on anything they need to resort to?
Mozilla non profit and Mozilla company are different entities.
Also Lemmy tends to be extreme left and pro China and Russia. I don’t really like discussing politics on social media anyway so I tend to just ignore it.
Mozilla non profit and Mozilla company are different entities.
Both are intertwined.
Lemmy tends to be extreme left and pro China and Russia.
Based? I see all western platforms cheering the genocide of Palestinian Jews and Muslims right now. These were the same platforms lying about Uyghur Muslim genocide a few years ago. Lemmy actually looks like a sensible geopolitical place.
I just think the issues are often more complex than people see. People put up there blinders and refuse to see anything that might make them question there own views.
Oof… 🚩🚩🚩 fool me once…
Using niche browser forks is often not a good idea. These are extremely fast moving projects that need to constantly be updated to stay secure.
This is especially true for Firefox forks, as Firefox allows you to customize it to the point that it is almost the same as many of these forks.
There are exceptions to this - for example, LibreWolf has a fairly good track record and Mullvad Browser needs to fork Firefox to (try) ensure all users have the same fingerprint.
Definitely a very valid point!
I feel like this argument is the same argument people use to tell you never to leave the Microsoft ecosystem
You must use Edge, Office, Defender and Azure
No it’s a security and fingerprinting tradeoff.
The more your browser acts to hide your behaviors and limit tracking, the more unique your fingerprint is. The most private browser setup is one which appears to be identical to all the other traffic in a non unique way, or noise. This definitionally lacks information for tracking.
Also security flaws and tracking exploits need to be constantly patched.
This is a fundamental tradeoff for privacy. Using more obscure browsers can (not always) then expose you to behavioral fingerprinting because they look different and react to web pages differently.
Most privacy oriented browsers use popular user agents
It’s not just the user agent that fingerprints a user.
Hence a good most of the exact comment you responded to.
I much prefer Librewolf. They are a little more transparent about it is, an independent, open source repackaging of Firefox with Arkenfox(ish) patches applied to it, rather than an entity which signs up for deals with other businesses.
I have found that Waterfox is more user friendly. Additionally the devs are open to community feedback and are constantly trying to better server the community.
I use Librewolf but I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone
Waterfox has had some bad press. I don’t remember details but here’s something to read :
- https://www.ghacks.net/2023/07/04/waterfox-browser-cuts-ties-with-system-1-to-celebrate-independence/ (2023)
- https://www.waterfox.net/blog/waterfox-has-joined-system1/ (2020)
I prefer to stick to the no nonsense LibreWolf and when some things don’t work fall back to Firefox :
I don’t view the ghacks.net article as badpress myself after reading it. Also the System1 deal, which is no longer a thing, is the same company who bought Startpage, which is still recommended over at privacyguides.org
Startpage, which is still recommended over at privacyguides.org
For now. There is an open pull request to remove it due to Startpage fingerprinting users (I didn’t delve into it to see if it’s true, but that was the reason given). And just because it’s been suggested doesn’t mean it will be removed, so time will till.
https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org/pull/2577
Waterfox is a neat project, but is often slow to implement security patches from Firefox upstream.
Why would I choose this over LibreWolf?
You probably shouldnt tbh. I don’t think Waterfox is any better, it’s just less strict in terms of the defaults. Think Waterfox caters best to those who want the Firefox feel but without the telemetry.
How about Librewolf ?
not excluding Librewolf, just sharing options.
I’ve mentioned it a few times, but I don’t like coming off as some sort of salesman lol. But waterfox is my go to. They, imo, seem to feel like the last browser left making logical choices out of box.
Waterfox is for me the go-to browser for most people, better than default Firefox but not as good as librewolf, good balance of privacy and convenience
Any of you guys tried Floorp? I’ve been using it for a few months now as my daily driver and while it might not be as intentionally lean as Waterfox, I find its customisability more than makes up for it.
Just fyi parts of floorp are proprietary
Honestly, I have just never heard of it. Thanks for sharing!
Been using it since it was the 64bit version of FF, no complaints. I think it’s neat that now it has tree style tabs integrated into it. Of course you can just install the add on, but I think they’re adding more functionality somewhere down the line. It’s not a big deal, but I think it’s neat.
Waterfox? Librewolf? Why not both?
I would like to try it, but isn’t it behind on updates a lot? Current Firefox is on 126 IIRC.
I’ve been using Waterfox as my Firefox backup because for some reason my Firefox always crashes within 15 minutes of use, and it’s always when I’m doing impirtant shit like banking or paying a bill. Which is what I typically use the ‘legit’ browsers for, and why I just use LibreWolf for daily browsing/fuckery. Using Waterfox feels like it calls less attention when on a government website as opposed to Librewolf.
Didn’t know it was bought by an ad company once upon a time, but this is also why I spread out my browsing. I also use Ghostery, and I have Brave (for checking how things show up in a Chromium environment when programming) but I don’t like Brave and rarely use it… Point is, gotta have multiple browsers either way.
I like Waterfox, I used it for a long time as my main until I became more serious about privacy.
I suggest Waterfox to normal people who need a browser that “Just Werks” and that doesnt have bloat/telemetry, because i can NOT bring myself to tell them to download vanilla Firefox with all the bloat and telemetry and crap shoved into it.
but at the same time I’m not going to suggest LibreWolf because many things break on it.
