Well it just seems odd to fold together industrial and Chinese emissions. Nationally and by sector are two totally different ways of dividing up emissions.
Anyway China is a major source of emissions and deserves criticism for that but it doesn’t seem very relevant overall.
@Kbin_space_program@throws_lemy@LibertyLizard As pointed out elsewhere, it’s quite hypocritical to point to China to reduce emissions generated by manufacturing stuff for the West.
@Kbin_space_program@throws_lemy@LibertyLizard Or, you know, we could trace those emissions back to the source, which would land the blame squarely on the tons of US companies responsible.
Also, as an aside, why don’t you compare per capita emissions, since China has > 3 times the population of the US?
@Kbin_space_program@throws_lemy@LibertyLizard Sure, the ecosystem doesn’t care about per capita, but the largest reductions in emissions would understandably come from the largest per-capita emitters.
Nothing I’m saying here is specific to China. We should be tracing back and allocating *all* emissions based on the ‘instigator’ of those emissions. It’s sort of like blaming Togo or Benin for poor child slavery records while ignoring that most of the demand for that labor comes from *us*.
Yes although I think China is a wealthy and capable enough country at this point that we can expect them to start reducing emissions like most other countries. But they aren’t really attempting to do this, and deserve criticism for that. As do Westerners who uncritically buy products from them despite their deeply problematic production model.
Are you saying China is responsible for 80% of emissions? That’s definitely false.
Badly written. 80% are industrial. They are, based on their public numbers, responsible for a third of the world’s CO2 though.
Their official numbers put them at number 1 CO2 emitter, and pollute more then next 5.
Well it just seems odd to fold together industrial and Chinese emissions. Nationally and by sector are two totally different ways of dividing up emissions.
Anyway China is a major source of emissions and deserves criticism for that but it doesn’t seem very relevant overall.
@Kbin_space_program @throws_lemy @LibertyLizard As pointed out elsewhere, it’s quite hypocritical to point to China to reduce emissions generated by manufacturing stuff for the West.
That was partially true more than a decade ago, since they could have had laws in place to prevent those emissions.
Now though they’re more making things for themselves, and any attempt on their part to declare themselves a “developing country” is a sham.
@Kbin_space_program @throws_lemy @LibertyLizard Or, you know, we could trace those emissions back to the source, which would land the blame squarely on the tons of US companies responsible.
Also, as an aside, why don’t you compare per capita emissions, since China has > 3 times the population of the US?
Because the ecosystem doesn’t care about pollution per capita.
Also, the reason the US is so high is because it refines most of the world’s oil.
Same reason Canada is so high. Alberta, by itself, is more than half of Canada CO2 emissions.
@Kbin_space_program @throws_lemy @LibertyLizard Sure, the ecosystem doesn’t care about per capita, but the largest reductions in emissions would understandably come from the largest per-capita emitters.
Nothing I’m saying here is specific to China. We should be tracing back and allocating *all* emissions based on the ‘instigator’ of those emissions. It’s sort of like blaming Togo or Benin for poor child slavery records while ignoring that most of the demand for that labor comes from *us*.
and even if it was true, guess why they have so much emissions! It’s to make products for us consumers in the west!
Yes although I think China is a wealthy and capable enough country at this point that we can expect them to start reducing emissions like most other countries. But they aren’t really attempting to do this, and deserve criticism for that. As do Westerners who uncritically buy products from them despite their deeply problematic production model.