• @Rangelus
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    210 months ago

    I’ve seen this argument a lot, and the problem is it always assumes we don’t change anything else. Here are some ideas that would make this much more of a non-issue:

    • Crown corp power “Kiwi Power” could buy back at full price.
    • Night-store heating that charges during the day then releases over night when the temperature drops.
    • Hot water heats during the day instead of at night.
    • Battery storage for all, or community-sized storage for local redistribution.
    • If large-scale storage is done, power price could vary depending on the amount of power supplied during the day that went into storage. With our current smart meters this would be trivial.

    So you see with a bit of thought and creativity these problems can be alleviated. Unfortunately, it seems a large proportion of New Zealanders are allergic to change, so this is unlikely to happen.

    • @Ilovethebomb
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      110 months ago

      None of that sounds in any way cost effective, especially the battery storage. Not when we’ve already built so much hydro that we can use to fill in the gaps.

      • @Rangelus
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        110 months ago

        My point is that people tend to dismiss mass solar based on perceived problems without realizing there are solutions to them.

        Some of my ideas are costly, sure, but others aren’t. Why is charging a slow release heater and heating your hot water during the day not cost effective? It is cost neutral, but utilizes solar. Why is a crown corp offering full price buy-back not cost effective? There is no reason for the lower buy-back rates, other than to ensure profit for the power companies. If the company was not profit driven, they could offer full buy back rates. How do I know this? Because it used to be that way, but the buy back reduced as solar uptake increased.

        Stop dismissing progress because it might require a small amount of problem solving. Otherwise, we will need improve our country.

        • @Ilovethebomb
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          110 months ago

          The point I’m making isn’t that these problems can’t be solved, it’s that there are far better options than going all in on solar. Your heater idea, for example, could be done. But why, when a modern heat pump gives you close to five times as much energy out as you put in? It would overall use far more energy, and would use it at a time when solar is at it’s least effective.

          Not only would you be using this energy at a different time to when it was generated, but you would also be using it in a different place. The far north of the country would be generating it, and the deep south would be using it.

          It’s important to have some solar, especially on buildings that are running HVAC, because peak production coincides with peak demand, but running the whole country on it doesn’t add up.

          • @Rangelus
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            110 months ago

            Oh I totally agree solar is only a part of the solution, not the magic bullet. Absolutely agree. I was really just trying to point out why the usual refrain of “it’s not perfect so there’s no point doing it” and “but what about this problem, let’s not even bother” is tiresome.