Why are the greens like this? How is being prepared to defend ourselves and help our allies “a concern”?

  • @IlovethebombOP
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    -211 months ago

    My point is, it’s very easy to say what we shouldn’t be doing, it’s much harder to come up with an alternative.

    Neither the green party, or the commenter I’m replying to, seem to have any idea what we should be doing instead, besides some very vauge and aspirational goals.

    • @Rangelus
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      311 months ago

      An alternative to participating in the war games? The obvious alternative is not participating in war games.

      • @IlovethebombOP
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        011 months ago

        How do we get our troops this type of training otherwise?

        • @Rangelus
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          411 months ago

          Are you telling me that this is the only possible way of training troops? If we don’t join the US in potentially antagonistic wargames, there is literally no other option and our troops will go completely untrained?

          • @IlovethebombOP
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            011 months ago

            Any idea whatsoever what that alternative is then?

            This is what I’m getting at, I’m sick of people bringing up problems without offering a solution.

            • @Rangelus
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              111 months ago

              So you think no-one can criticise an action if they do not present an alternative? That’s a pretty ridiculous take, but ok, lets see:

              • Normal training, not “wargames” with other countries
              • Wargames internally, in NZ
              • Liaising with militaries in active war-zones, such as Ukraine, to provide specific training
              • Don’t have extra training at all, over what is normally done

              I’m not in the military, but these are four alternatives to their current action that I came up with in about 30s. I’m sure better minds could find a solution relatively easily.

              I find the requirement of providing an alternative otherwise you dismiss any criticism silly.

              • @IlovethebombOP
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                011 months ago

                My point was, it’s very easy to stand back and criticise, much harder to come up with the alternative, and I don’t typically respect the opinions of people who only do the former.

    • @BalpeenHammer
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      111 months ago

      I think your point is that you are a right wing person who fetishises the military and wants the west to engage in an active war with China. Any policy or even speech that seeks any other way of relating to china is going to get vehement and loud pushback from you. You think the only way to relate to china is via the most violent way possible.