SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]

“YOU SAY NATO IS AN IMPERIALIST GENOCIDAL ORGANIZATION B-B-BUT W-WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA??? WHAT ABOUT MUH HECKING RUSSIA???”

I can call it a fascist organization because it is one. For the 100th time, I know Russia is a neoliberal state with a Nazi problem too, however I am not going to fall for state department propaganda and place the majority of the responsibility for this mess solely on Russia to minimize the gross involvement of the imperialist white supremacist settler-colonial extractive project that is NATO. It was a bad move of them to escalate tensions, but it was even worse for NATO to come in and destabilize the fucking region in the first place in 2014 with euromaidan and actively oppose peaceful negotiations as the war drags on and hundreds of thousands of ordinary people like you or I suffer and die in a hell on earth. Can you understand this?

Nobody wanted this war, this is purely Russia’s doing. Just because Ukraine has some marginal neo-nazi groups doesn’t mean the country is run by Nazis.

Are you fucking kidding me? What are you even talking about? You didn’t read a single word of the post you are replying to and are just parroting off whatever talking points Murdoch gave you to manufacture consent for NATOs proxy war.

Are you actually saying that the West, after first and foremost destroying the region, causing human suffering on an untold scale, in the 90s with neoliberal economic warfare and cynically maneuvering back in to promise a bandaid for the bullet wound they inflicted on Ukraine to encircle an enemy nation, is a force for good in this situation???

You seem to simply use fascism as a synonym for bad without even understanding what it is.

Projection for 200, Chuck. Are you implying that the American empire, currently emmiserating and genociding the 3rd world based on a white supremacist agenda, the very fucking inspiration for Hitlers lebensraum… isnt fascist???

The “West” is a white supremacist construct too based on an alliance of colonial powers btw.

The great irony is you’re so caught up in this baseless rhetoric believing that you’re fighting fascists that you end up supporting a textbook fascist government

Projection for 300, Chuck! You think Russia is doing imperialist lebensraum like Germany or America before it so you project the entire bloody ideological superstructure and endgoal of the west onto it (which at least you recognize as evil) and thus somehow mental gymnasticize yourself into supporting the a war pushed by the actual set of powers who performed such imperialist ventures.

All in all you’re conflating peace negotiations with surrender because it will “reward Russias bad behavior” (paternalistic ahistorical fascist nonsense) and therefore unironically doing a “War is peace.” Because you are a demonic warmonger who wants nothing but rivers of Slavic blood and money for Ratheon.

You’re not the left. The left hates you.

Projection for $100, Chuck. We’re not the ones advocating for the global interests of white supremacist fascist nations in their genocide of the third world.

You’re just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.

“ERRYONE I DONT LIKE IS M-MUH RUSSIAN BOTERINOS!!!” I hope you’re memeing because this is going into the realm of unhinged conspiracy theories otherwise.

you just want Russia to win the war. You’re the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says “well it’s his fault for resisting.”

1. No, we don’t want there to be a fucking war in the first place, a peace deal is not a loss for either side except NATO because they don’t get to destabilize another region with a forever war like how they did with Afghanistan.

inb4 “muh russia must b punished”!!!

the lack of nuance you have about this situation truly reveals that you’re just a puppet mouthpiece for NATO’s fascist, warmongering propaganda to further its interests in the region through bloody conflict.

2. The 8 year war between Russia and Ukraine (NATO) is the same as america doing systemic genocide against black people after enslaving them for over 400 years, and, even after, doing everything in their power to make the life of a black person in america a truly miserable experience, yes. What a fucking disgusting comparison and minimization of america’s evil.

The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.

Imagine seething this much over pronouns lmao

And again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?

Nobody actually thinks russia is a force for good in this situation, its just that an end of hostilities for the drafting of a peace agreement is much better for the people.

Ukrainian people voted in favor of a western friendly government

Your Ukranian “people”:

(its mostly fascist paramilitaries funded by god knows who)

Your “voting”:

(there was no democractic referendum held to oust the president)

Also, the west itself is a white supremacist fascist entity who went to Ukraine in 2014 to put pressure on Russia by cutting off potential allies. They are not the good guys.

What I don’t understand, though, is why a bunch of self proclaimed communists are so in favor of expanding the global influence of a post-fascist government.

Again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?

Their wartime Z symbol is essentially a half drawn swastika, like how do you not see it?

This is projection, the left has consistently been anti war this entire time, yet liberals are on the side of outright fascists in the ukranian military being given experimental weapons when they are not outright denying they exist.

No, the heads of NATO, Ukraine and Russia shouldn’t be rewarded for their acts of violence against the people of Russia and Ukraine. All sides should withdraw from the territories in which they are not welcome by the people.

Also Russia didn’t invade Ukraine to “gain new territory”, do you know when the war started?

(Furthermore its important to clarify that although Russia is a neoliberal hellpit, NATO, using Ukraine as a meat shield for their interests, is way, way worse, literally headed by one of the most evil countries that ever existed: the USA, as such, it is foolish to trust that anything they do in this situation will help the people of Ukraine, including dump military hardware into the region for disposal and testing)

Ok, but how is supporting a peace deal to facilitate the outcome of russian forces withdrawing a fascist position?

How is wanting a war to end without more innocent lives being lost “supporting” a fascist government?

Why r they fascist?

Its not nice to call ppl shills m8

OMG YESSS ICE DRAGON COOL!!!

Anyways, you have the right idea about it being unjust that those who start wars of aggression reap benefits from starting them. That is why it is best for both Russia and Ukraine to resolve this using peaceful negotiations, as the reason why america is pouring military hardware into the latter is to bolster its own war of aggression against Russia motivated by cynical geopolitical interests.

This current conflict has a long and bloody history stretching way back from 2014 till now. It is called the “Russo-Ukranian war” and started with the Euromaidan incident when the EU used far right groups to antidemocratically depose a pro-Russian Ukranian president and plant someone who is more aligned with their agenda so that they could put pressure on Russia, as Russia was starting to get unfriendly towards the American trading bloc.

As such, the true nature of this conflict is an awful proxy war between Russia and NATO (america), where innocents suffer and the rich get richer.

Therefore, I think we would both agree that it is not good for america to send more weapons to Ukraine as this would be fulfilling america’s own selfish geopolitical interests using the lives of innocent Ukranians.

Nice profile too btw

Its alright man, people will quickly learn you’re one of the good ones.

Uncritically consuming the narrative pushed by western media is hella cringe.

“Red Sails is a website run by Roderic Day in collaboration with Nia Frome, Sobrina de Alguien, and several other comrades.”

Inb4 “muh CCP paid shills!!!”

That would be going into the realm of conspiracy theories lmao

LMAO shut the actual fuck up canuck, thank god I’m not from your shithole country

Echo chamber is when you get bullied for imperialist talking points, lack of critical thinking is lack of pro-america/pro-NATO propaganda.

hollow A+

Pathetic lmao

Great, here’s your A+ from teacher! Now get the fuck out of my class son.

I wasn’t referring to you in particular, I was referring to describing types of “liberals” in general. I am not implying that there is something inherently wrong with being uneducated. Everybody is uneducated in a variety of fields outside of their own expertise, such as nuclear physics, foraging, farming, etc. Similarly, most american progressives simply do not know what the terms “left” and “right” mean in a political context, therefore, they are uneducated. Rather, I was implying that these progressives are well meaning, good-hearted people who just need a bit more knowledge as to where they could direct their energy towards political change. I apologize if it came off as condescending, maybe I should have used the term “unactivated” or “new to politics”.

but there are other worthy worldviews and subjects to spend time on that hardly make me uneducated

Thats good, keep reading. If you are interested in politics then I would recommend reading the works of Micheal Parenti.

Ok when the word “shitlib” is used here we’re referring to smug, rude, arrogant, reddit-brained imbeciles who functionally support imperialism, right wing apologia, and casual bigotry. They also operate in bad faith from the get go.

Uneducated progressive “liberals” who are nonetheless openminded and empathetic are not the people who this term refers to.

*Thanks!

FTFY

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