Nobody in this thread has said anything positive about Russia?
Go back to reddit
So, I’m sure that as a proud lefty you understand the concept of critical support, but just in case: most of us are not pro-China/pro-Russia, but have support -with criticisms when warranted- of their role in ending the current global system of US hegemony. I won’t go into Russia too much, as I think they’re a terrible capitalist country with deeply regressive laws but I do support them in their fight against nato and in giving another option for global south countries to reach out to when it comes to trade and military support.
China to me is a much clearer example of a country that has the opportunity to become a superpower without the truly horrendous bloodshed that has been a feature of American dominance. They also, in my opinion, have shown themselves to take climate change much more seriously than most countries, and given the daily news stories of the devastation we’re seeing I’m very grateful that a large country is making the steps they are.
When it comes to the Stalin memes, some of it is ironic, but a lot of it is serious. Stalin wasn’t perfect and definitely made mistakes, but his leadership of the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating nazism and for that alone he deserves critical support.
I still see it?
Hi, I just want to say that to many of us in hexbear what you see as an echo chamber is a safe space. Most of us live in capitalist countries and are constantly being exposed to capitalist propaganda.
Personally, I like having a place where I can discuss things important to me without having to be constantly contradicted by people with what I view as a very shallow understanding of history and geopolitics. It’s honestly kind of silly to pretend that people on the left don’t get their opinions and views challenged, we are absolutely inundated with different views on a daily basis
I guess what I’m trying to get across here is that it’s very hard for me to trust that any punishment of Russia will result in any long term change to behaviors of other bad actor if the nations doing the punishing are completely unable to apply justice across the board. It’s a lot easier for the US to send Bush to The Hague than Putin you know?
Other bad actors like Saudi or Azerbaijan are also currently being rewarded by the same people calling for punishment of Russia. What message does that send to future tyrants? That as long as you’re useful to the west we will ignore your crimes?
Why is it more critical to punish Russia than to punish bad actors in the US?
By that logic isn’t it far more critical to punish the truly bad actors? George bush killed way more people than have been killed in Russia’s invasion. What message does it send that he’s allowed to roam free?
I’m not saying it as an excuse, I’m trying to point out that aggression has been rewarded before this. You’re arguing that it is critical to punish Russia to send a message to other states that aggression won’t succeed but I’m saying that ship has already sailed
Lmao, how can you justify this shit? Do you really think American was actually trying to win hearts and minds when even you admit high command was protecting child rapists?
Lol, winning hearts and minds by protecting child rapists
I’m not asking for anything, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in calling for punishing Russia for war crimes when in every respect the US and her vassals have committed and are committing orders of magnitude more violence in the last couple decades
Because leftists understand that actual progress doesn’t come from voting?
I’m not sure where in the world you live, but for myself, I’m in a western country. It would be far more easy for my country to hold the architects of the Afghanistan invasion to account than Putin. The fact that my government doesn’t indicates that all the talk of punishing Russia has nothing to do with punishing aggression, it’s just about punishing a rival
Why is it so critical to punish Russian aggression? It’s not like it’s the only aggressive state around, and definitely not the worst? Hasn’t the fact that not a single official responsible for the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Yemen been punished a bigger factor in rewarding aggression?
Why are we letting the people responsible for Iraq and Afghanistans current state get away with it? Like if the US wants to arrest a war criminal Bush and Cheney are right there. Same for Blair, or Harper, or any of the other architects of the invasions.
I mean, he did try a coup that failed miserably because he had no support. Even if he would have want to try to kill Putin, there’s no reason to believe he was capable of it