• mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
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    6 months ago

    The reason why support for Ukraine is so shaky is that Republicans have been thoroughly compromised by the nation

    One reason why support for Israel is so unanimous is that all politicians have been compromised to some degree by AIPAC’s influence. It’s just being done in a “legal” fashion and a lot more competently than the (also fairly effective) job that Russia is doing.

    As much as Netanyahu is a terrible person, he did not start this war

    This conflict has been going on for a long time before October.

    had absolutely no other choice than to respond to Hamas murderous rampage with a campaign to remove the terrorist organization

    Absolutely false. Or rather – it is false that he was obligated to respond by starving children and everyone else, bombing hospitals, and absolutely guaranteeing the continuation of the conflict. Do you really think there’s a single person in Palestine today who doesn’t want to see Israel eradicated off the face of the planet?

    If your goal is to eradicate Hamas, this course of action is the absolute last one you would choose.

    • They could have chosen to pursue a genuine end to the conflict and address its root causes (which basically boil down to Israel wanting to take land from the Palestinians, reduce them to subhuman status with the society they’re imposing on them, and kill them without warning or recourse any time they feel like – which is why Israel doesn’t want to change anything about that.)
    • They could have chosen to invoke a war against Hamas itself, while still being at least mindful-on-the-surface of civilian casualties. It would be difficult, since their treatment of Palestinians means that basically anyone who’s an adult could potentially be a Hamas supporter, but them’s the breaks when you oppress an entire population for 75 years; you create a situation that’s boo hoo difficult for yourself to deal with “humanely.”
    • They could have done literally nothing; it’s not ideal, but at least it wouldn’t have involved killing thousands of children and absolutely guaranteeing continued support for Hamas from this generation of Palestinians and maybe beyond.

    Hell, any nation on Earth, including the most peace-loving ones, would have started a full-on war in reaction to attack like this.

    In the aftermath of World War 2, the allies faced the issue of what to do with the nation that had invented a whole new type of crime against humanity. What they did was:

    • Involve the international community
    • Ensure that anyone accused of this crime would have a chance to defend themselves against the charges with legal representation
    • Took the “innocent” (relatively speaking) civilians of the country, made some effort to rebuild their country, and carefully set up structures which would address the root causes that had led to the breeding ground for hatred that had been created where the problem had festered in the first place.

    And, will you look at that, it worked, and we don’t have a continuing insurrection decade after decade in Germany today, with an oppressive open-air prison for all the German people which keeps flaring up into terrorism and murder.

    I’m not excusing any murder, kidnapping, or rape of the innocent on October 7th. The people who did it should be punished. The holocaust was orders of magnitude worse, though, and somehow we managed to react to that without starving millions of children and continuing an endless cycle of suffering even into the present day.