The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to “Leftists who won’t vote” & “MAGA Republicans” teaming up to “getting revenge on liberals”.

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      it is. a vote for any person must be counted for that person. they cannot count my vote for cornel west as a vote for biden.

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        Your vote for West means nothing when there is zero chance they’ll win. You are throwing away a vote that could have been used to combat Trump.

        By voting for third party, you may as well not be voting at all. And in both cases, you are saying you don’t care who wins. Which means you don’t care if Trump wins. Which means you are complicit in Trump’s victory if it is to happen.

        So I will blame all of you just as much as the Reps if that comes to pass, and the blood will be on your hands as well.

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          and And in both cases, you are saying you don’t care who wins.

          no… by voting I’m saying who I want to win.

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            Except they won’t win, and you know it. So you’re taking a vote away from Biden which means you’re helping Trump. You are culpable in Trumps victory if it happens, and the blood is on your hands just as much as the Reps.

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              it’s not biden’s vote, it’s mine, and Biden needs to earn it if he wants it.

              only a vote for a candidate helps that candidate.

              a vote for West is a vote against Trump and Biden.

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                  it’s not for them, it’s for anyone who might be taken in by them.

                  and i can’t bring myself to think of them in dehumanizing terms like “bot” or even “shill”. that level of discourse is toxic and thought-terminating. we should elevate the conversation.

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          you are complicit in Trump’s victory if it is to happen.

          if the situation is as dire as you say, and the Democrats put up Biden as a candidate knowing that I won’t vote for him, and you don’t stop the Democrats from putting up Biden, your complicit in Trump’s victory.

          you can see how that makes just as much sense, right, and how it’s just as wrong?

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            The DNC chooses who they choose. Nobody is happy with it, but at the end of the day we have to prevent the literal nazis from taking power. You refusing to vote for the only candidate that stands any chance against Trump only helps Trump.

            If he wins, all of you are responsible for the terror that ensues.

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              the people responsible for the victory of any candidate are the people who vote for that candidate. I’ll be voting against trump

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          the blood will be on your hands as well.

          so do I get to hold you accountable for what’s happening right now in Palestine? did you vote for Biden in 2020, you genocide enabling piece of…

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            I voted for Biden, yes. It was the lesser of two evils, but that’s all we have. The situation is horrible, but all we can do in an election these days is pick what will cause the least harm. If Trump were in power, things would be exponentially worse, and you fucking know it

            Stop playing stupid. And if you’re not playing stupid, then you ARE stupid.

            Biden fucking sucks. But Trump is infinitely worse.

            A third party WILL NOT WIN. Do NOT throw your vote away. If you don’t vote Biden, you are implicitly aiding Trump to power, and you are just as responsible as the Reps for the hell that follows

            No, you are MORE responsible, because you could have helped to prevent it and chose not to. YOU are the reason everything will go to hell. Not the Biden voters, not the Trump voters, because we were going to vote this way regardless.

            YOU are responsible, because you COULD HAVE helped but instead decided to throw away your vote

            You are complicit in the fascist regime that follows, and you deserve whatever hell that comes to you.