The mods there have decided to allow underage looking content, skirting close to CP. Unless we want such disgusting stuff on our feed, I think we should defederate from that instance.
(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity
I could say all humans look under 18 to me, and thus all porn is banned.
ultimately, loli does not refer to actual human beings. it does not refer to an age. loli characters can be undeniably adults and appear as such.
Surely, if a character is canonically an adult, appears as an adult, is unmistakably an adult, and are not based on a real person, then they can’t possibly fall under what you are saying, yes?
Yeah but that would be bullshit, and frankly your definition (which appears to be being skewed by a desire to look at sexual cartoons of children) would not need to be believed by anyone else.
“Canonically” also doesn’t matter because someone saying “actually this person who looks exactly like a five year old girl is a million years old” also doesn’t have to be believed by anyone else.
That is why the UK law is “appear to be” - specifically to avoid consumers of child pornography, real or drawn, pulling dumb stunts like that.
just out of interest @Otome-chan@kbin.social, in this pic (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeOCDVuVIAElq8s?format=jpg&name=large), how old do you think hayase looks? Keep in mind she is 42 (I guess that’s what that number means, either that or she is the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything. So what would be your stance of sexualised images of that character or a similar one? See, thet problem is, all your justifications come from within your lolita community. Not from outside the community, which is ultimately who you are judged by when this shit comes into thte public sphere… So you can go around in your little bubble thinking everything is ok because your are surrounded by other’s who justify it. Until it becomes public and you suddenly expect people to accept your justifications.
just out of interest. in this pic, how old do you think hayase looks?
Drawn characters can look like anything, so trying to discern an age out of a drawing is silly. Hayase is an adult loli. Characters younger than her would look different. For reference here she is in context with other characters. notably a typical adult male, and a child. You can see she’s very obviously not a child once placed in context. When looking at the lineup, she does indeed “appear younger than the others”. The thing about loli characters is that they’re like tofu, they change and appear different depending on the context. Hayase looks super young in the lineup, but then in context she appears older and clearly an adult (or maybe later teen).
So what would be your stance of sexualised images of that character or a similar one?
On characters like hayase my stance is it’s understandable why one might ban due to potential legal implications. However, she’s an adult, does not appear as a child in context, is not presented as a child, and is a drawing, and should not be legal as per societal laws. Personally I’m not sexually attracted to loli characters (as stated elsewhere my preference is clearly older-looking adults in 30yo range).
See, thet problem is, all your justifications come from within your lolita community. Not from outside the community, which is ultimately who you are judged by when this shit comes into thte public sphere…
The question isn’t “do you find loli offputting” it’s “do you think this should be illegal”. and if I had to say whether it should be illegal my answer is no. There is a lot of nsfw content that I think is offputting, disgusting, AND should be illegal. Yet I do not see others complaining about it, nor do I think people would end up agreeing. For example, bestiality is illegal IRL. yet many people draw bestiality nsfw images. should those similarly be banned? do you think that warrants defederation, and criminality? over a drawing? Yet furries are very common.
Until it becomes public and you suddenly expect people to accept your justifications.
tbh, other peoples’ morality is not really something I care for. to me, most people are morally corrupt and despicable. look at every single person who voted joe biden, a known rapist, pedophile, and war criminal. and then those people have the audacity to judge me because I said a drawing harms no one? really?
In the age of AI, it’s basically the same thing anyway. People can generate that shit now and it will look real. It’s not okay and it is illegal. It literally uses the word “depicted” which can refer to non-real stuff.
that applies to people, not drawings.
I’d encourage you to read what I just posted because drawings would fall under “other visual representations”
it’s talking about depictions of actual people, not fictional characters.
If you’re going to be that level of pedantic then it’s clear you already have an idea in your head and don’t care to be informed.
this excludes loli/shota.
Looks like drawings of people to me
OK, more concretely then, sexualised drawings of people who are or appear to be under 18 are illegal in the UK.
This is an odd hill to die on if you’re not interested in looking at sexualised drawings of people who are or appear to be under 18.
I could say all humans look under 18 to me, and thus all porn is banned.
ultimately, loli does not refer to actual human beings. it does not refer to an age. loli characters can be undeniably adults and appear as such.
Surely, if a character is canonically an adult, appears as an adult, is unmistakably an adult, and are not based on a real person, then they can’t possibly fall under what you are saying, yes?
Yeah but that would be bullshit, and frankly your definition (which appears to be being skewed by a desire to look at sexual cartoons of children) would not need to be believed by anyone else.
“Canonically” also doesn’t matter because someone saying “actually this person who looks exactly like a five year old girl is a million years old” also doesn’t have to be believed by anyone else.
That is why the UK law is “appear to be” - specifically to avoid consumers of child pornography, real or drawn, pulling dumb stunts like that.
so there you have it. you’re essentially arguing full actual adults are “child porn”. fuck off with that bs.
just out of interest @Otome-chan@kbin.social, in this pic (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeOCDVuVIAElq8s?format=jpg&name=large), how old do you think hayase looks? Keep in mind she is 42 (I guess that’s what that number means, either that or she is the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything. So what would be your stance of sexualised images of that character or a similar one? See, thet problem is, all your justifications come from within your lolita community. Not from outside the community, which is ultimately who you are judged by when this shit comes into thte public sphere… So you can go around in your little bubble thinking everything is ok because your are surrounded by other’s who justify it. Until it becomes public and you suddenly expect people to accept your justifications.
Drawn characters can look like anything, so trying to discern an age out of a drawing is silly. Hayase is an adult loli. Characters younger than her would look different. For reference here she is in context with other characters. notably a typical adult male, and a child. You can see she’s very obviously not a child once placed in context. When looking at the lineup, she does indeed “appear younger than the others”. The thing about loli characters is that they’re like tofu, they change and appear different depending on the context. Hayase looks super young in the lineup, but then in context she appears older and clearly an adult (or maybe later teen).
On characters like hayase my stance is it’s understandable why one might ban due to potential legal implications. However, she’s an adult, does not appear as a child in context, is not presented as a child, and is a drawing, and should not be legal as per societal laws. Personally I’m not sexually attracted to loli characters (as stated elsewhere my preference is clearly older-looking adults in 30yo range).
The question isn’t “do you find loli offputting” it’s “do you think this should be illegal”. and if I had to say whether it should be illegal my answer is no. There is a lot of nsfw content that I think is offputting, disgusting, AND should be illegal. Yet I do not see others complaining about it, nor do I think people would end up agreeing. For example, bestiality is illegal IRL. yet many people draw bestiality nsfw images. should those similarly be banned? do you think that warrants defederation, and criminality? over a drawing? Yet furries are very common.
tbh, other peoples’ morality is not really something I care for. to me, most people are morally corrupt and despicable. look at every single person who voted joe biden, a known rapist, pedophile, and war criminal. and then those people have the audacity to judge me because I said a drawing harms no one? really?
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In the age of AI, it’s basically the same thing anyway. People can generate that shit now and it will look real. It’s not okay and it is illegal. It literally uses the word “depicted” which can refer to non-real stuff.
this has already been covered in courts. realistic looking imagery of children counts as cp. drawn anime characters do not.