Incandescent light bulbs are officially banned in the U.S.::America’s ban on incandescent light bulbs, 16 years in the making, is finally a reality. Well, mostly.

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      1 year ago

      Is your point we should not be taking steps to decrease electricity usage because this step by itself doesn’t fix the entire problem?

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        People will complain about climate change than complain about LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT to improve it. Isnt this what people are always saying needs to happen?? That individual action isnt the way but we need legislature to fix everything? What did people think would happen if governments try to fight climate change? That our lives would in no way shape or form be affected?

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          The answer is everyone else has to fix climate change. Everyone but me

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            When you have billionares shooting off joy ride rocket ships to space putting out more pollutants than 1000 regular people do in a lifetime per trip, yeah, my recycling everything and switching to oat milk is a pretty futile effort. Individual actions are fine, but there are some things that need the force of law to make a difference.

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              Agreed, both are completely required.

              You’re only one person, you don’t have to take full responsibility for all of climate change. But you can take responsibility for your slice of climate change

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                https://ideas.ted.com/environmental-impact-carbon-emissions-of-space-tourism/

                https://gizmodo.com/jeff-bezos-space-joyride-emitted-a-lifetime-s-worth-of-1848196182

                Like many things there is a lot of back and forth depending on what numbers you throw into the calculation. Raw carbon from the rocket fuel may be low, but taking in indirect sources raises the totals dramatically. I prefer to look ilat the totality of things since things like flying private jets to the launch site wouldn’t happen if there where no launch to attend.

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                  75 to 1000 tons of CO2?

                  That’s, what, 5-62 years of an average American lifestyle?

                  Honestly, that’s not so bad lol

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                  Well, sure, space tourism emissions are gonna be relatively enormous compared to other forms of travel, but I was thinking of stuff like that, versus typical individual emissions, emissions by industry, etc., as % of total global emissions.

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                    The second article gives some comparison to individual emissions. Another way to look at it though, if Jeff’s space trip to generate (to pull numbers out of the air) 1000x the average annual output of an individual then controlling a single point is going to be far more practical than attempting to get 1000 others to do what is needed to offset it PLUS whatever amounts needed to have a net reduction. There’s been a commonly floated stat that 100 companies are responsible for the majority of global emissions, getting those 100 to reduce their output by half is going to be a lot simpler and have a larger impact overall than to try and coordinate the 7B+ people on the planet.

                    Doing your own actions sets a good example and is good practice, but a tiny dot in the global scale of things compared to things like travel and industrial output.

                    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jul/22/instagram-posts/no-100-corporations-do-not-produce-70-total-greenh/

                    To dispute to 100 entitites part, is above which seems viable too. On net though, to look at it in a simplified manner I’ve never launched a rocket to space, but for that to be offset would take the collective action of a sizable number of people.

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      The EU introduced a limitation to how much power electric devices can consume in off or standby mode.

      0.5 watt normally, 1 watt if they have a status display and 2-8 watts if they’re connected to a network.

      On a yearly basis this saves as much electricity as one of the member states (Romania) used in a year.

      My point is that small things add up to huge numbers.

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        LED bulbs aren’t really even a small thing.

        going from a 100W bulb to a 15W bulb, or a 60W bulb to a 2.5W bulb (that’s the actual conversion for the bulbs i’ve actually bought on amazon and am currently using, not hypothetical guesses) across 20-30 bulbs in a single house is a real actual big difference in energy savings.

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        Exactly. From this particular article/policy:

        Similarly, it projects that the rules could cut carbon emissions by 222 million metric tons over the next 30 years.

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        So don’t buy non-replaceable fixtures?

        How is removing incandescent bulbs from the marketplace going to increase the installation of fixtures with non-replaceable components, when such fixtures never used incandescent bulbs in the first place?

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          It can be difficult. I started asking around about getting recessed lighting installed in my kitchen and they all wanted to install disk lights.

          These seem even worse since not only do you have to replace the fixture when it burns out, but you risk having to replace all the fixtures when it varies by color temperature or trim

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            They should charge you less for using cheaper material, reduce labor costs etc and charge the regular rate (like they fucking die before) to install a recessed fixture.

            Overall, capitalism and rampant, irresponsible consumerism is to blame for all these quick fix solutions and lack of repairable devices. There is not one person to blame but ourselves for continuing to buy into this bs (literally)

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        For what it’s worth I’ve had one of those integrated overhead fixtures in my kitchen for about 6 years. It hasn’t failed yet. The overall shape of the fixture which we like also wouldn’t be possible if the bulbs were replaceable.

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          The light fixture in my apartment started flickering and not turning on all the way, and it was only a few years old (On a dimmer switch, the dimmer-compatible driver in the fixture died). I couldn’t even fix it myself because it’s hardwired and my landlord wouldn’t be happy with me playing electrician. So I was stuck with no light in that room for weeks until the landlord got it replaced.

          Not to mention I couldn’t change the color temperature to match the rest of my lights, which drove me nuts.

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          OK, and? LEDs typically last way longer than 6 years, but it’s still going to be a pain to replace when it does fail.

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            Well actually I’ve got one in my laundry room too and that one hasn’t failed either so it’s really a sample size of two. But either way if you don’t like it that’s why I said for what it’s worth.