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Yes, but no. RCS itself is. Google RCS however, not especially. Google keeps promising to open up the bits they’ve tacked on but have yet to. Which includes things like the open end-to-end encryption. Apple will be implementing vanilla RCS which does not have that yet. But they have claimed if I remember correctly that they are going to help develop that. I don’t know if I believe that or if that’s just something they said to foster some false Goodwill

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

everything i don’t like is entitled

Guess you’re right. I’m not justifying them, but trying to put a bit of light into why a lot of people don’t care. I’m not the kind of person to express such a moot opinion, but I guess some people get tired of seeing a conversation that only affects only a portion of people and feel the need to express their feelings. Again, I’m the kind to remain silent, but there are all kinds of people out there.

They were never popular over here outside of business users, I always liked the tiny red LED. Sure, I can make the flag on my iPhone blink on new messages, but it’s not the same

Because Whatsapp users are just as big “twats” as you call it. Try functioning without Whatsapp in Europe, you can’t, and no amount of excuses will get you out of it.

Any messaging network starts acting like peer pressure once enough people around you are using it

Then you won’t need Apple hardware to use it

They uh… are going to support rcs very soon so…

Def agree that the vast majority don’t care about E2EE (though that’s probably growing with more news articles like that one where they went after someone for abortion and got their Facebook messages to prove it) I think it’s less about blue/green and more about how shitty the interop is. I don’t know anyone who is like “I won’t talk to green bubbles” but I know plenty who get annoyed when it fucks up the group chat or either side is stuck looking at a postage-stamp sized grainy image (if it even gets delivered.) Really, really blows that the predominate message services in the states are Apple-only iMessage, owned by Facebook, or SMS. I’m over 30, so I am not on Snap and most of my friends aren’t, I refuse to use Facebook products, so we’re stuck with SMS.

The problem is that, in the US and Canada, android users don’t tend to use those apps en masse. The vast majority use SMS.

Yeah, but iphone users are different as they already have some default app that they could use instead of installing other apps. Wouldn’t they want to use that default app as often as possible if their partners have the same ability from their pov? I mean it’s not about the color as the original comment thinks, but about the stuff that the different color implies. Not the thing that is nice to the eyes, but the actual convenience and price.

I didn’t know it was showing that. I’ll check my settings, and adjust. Thank you for letting me know.

We are lucky the EU is forcing them to adopt standards and not abuse their power. Maybe we’ll see some progress. New iPhones coming with USB-C is a good start and, ironically, I think it will make them sell more phones. But regarding blue vs green bubbles, the massive adoption of WhatsApp in the EU (fuelled by the greed of European Telcos charging per SMS) made us immune to this discussion.

But remember: instead of going with DOS, or a PC compatible system, they developed their own OS. It’s always been closed. And doing things “their way”.

I’ve been a Mac user for more than 30 years, and I’ve always been isolated from the PC ecosystem. No PC Card was ever usable with a Mac, until they changed to Intel processors in 2005, and even then, you didn’t have drivers for those, you have to rely on some outside development. You could barely read PC files, and most PCs couldn’t read Mac files without external software until Apple changed to Mac OS X in 2001. PC peripherals were incompatible (different connectors and electrical requirements) until Apple introduced USB with the iMac in 1998 (and the PC ecosystem caught up with it).

While Macs were (somewhat) upgradeable, you needed to buy Mac specific parts to do it, made by Apple approved vendors.

So, It’s always been a walled garden. I know, I was there before the iPhone, before the iPod. They’re doing nothing different from when they started. The difference is in society: internet appeared, and we now expect everything to work with everything. We expect to be interconnected. But Apple? They always liked to be their own thing, to be different (“think different”, remember?).

So, it’s just normal Apple behaviour. Expecting anything different is not knowing what Apple really is. Fortunately, the EU thinks doing things “the Apple way” is no longer valid, and is forcing them to adopt standards, and don’t abuse their position. But they’re doing it reluctantly, complaining, and putting a fight.

Not really, they’ve always been big on being incompatible for the sake of locking in people: adb, FireWire, iPod requiring iTunes, etc.

The locking down started with the original MacIntosh (or actually with the Lisa I guess). ISTR they had at least one bit more open period after that, but those have always been the exception.

Really? Why is that? Why you can’t compare two instant messaging apps? What is so hilarious?

Btw, WhatsApp was made by a different company, and then bought by Meta, when it was already the most used instant messaging app in the EU. And it has a lot of really nice features. There’s a reason so many people use it.

But it’s not “most”, it’s more like half of Americans use iMessage (that’s not an app, it’s a service, the app is called Messages), and the other half uses SMS with different apps.

The factor that moved people away from SMS in the EU was telecom companies charging for it. SMS is virtually free for telecom companies, but European companies got greedy, and people moved to WhatsApp. They tried to block it, but accepted defeat after a while.

In the US, SMS is free with your phone plan, and it became popular with young people until iMessage appeared. Since iPhones are still subsidized by US telcos (afaik, correct me if I’m wrong), a lot of young people have iPhones and use iMessage, that’s far superior to SMS.

They skipped by the skin of their teeth. For now…

Judging by Apple ownership, it’s not only poor people…

Didn’t they make one covered in diamonds? You’ve been watching too many of those ‘rich Vs really rich’ tiktoks

I’m certain you developed this astute perspective after a thorough and unbiased evaluation of the Apple ecosystem from a user perspective

“Awkward spinning selector wheel”

Say what you want, but the iPod click wheel was anything but awkward. It was the most approachable and efficient interface and hardware on the market by miles and miles. Navigating other similar devices without it is an awful experience of buttons and layered menus that feel clunky and slow.

I won’t deny that the Arcos and other jukeboxes were incredible devices, but they lacked accessibility and mass appeal. Their size and expense kept most people from even considering getting one. They were absolutely an enthusiast’s device and nothing more.

The iPod ushered in the boom of portable media players and paved the road for Apple’s performance in the mobile phone space by establishing them as purveyors of a superior form factor and experience when it came to those devices. Apple owes its continued success in its personal computer and tablet product lines to the iPod’s design and their decision to focus on creating a cohesive ecosystem across their products based on those design principles.

This.

I had an iPhone for a decade with my work. Quit both of them and got an android. I’m way happier being able to do things more than one way and to be able to customize everything.

Phones in general suck, but if the shitty, android at least let’s you do what you want.

lol ok.

The vast majority of androids are worse for repairability. The ones that get more than a year or two of support don’t have any parts available. The ones that do get support have far worse physical restrictions like straight up gluing parts in.

The rest you mention, >99% of people don’t do anyway.

Sounds like an iOS problem for iOS users to deal with. If I have a family member with Android, we just agree on a chat service to use and iMessage isn’t even a part of that conversation. Older members who need help can get their stuff set up during a family visit, until which a few green bubbles won’t hurt anyone.

Then use ANY other messaging service. Preferably Signal, but if that doesn’t work… Facebook, Whatsapp, literally anything.

Lol I said it’s 3 years old, not “old”. That’s the not-so-secret secret of today’s phones: a 2 or 3 year old phone works just fine.

They said if you’re buying solely based bubble color then it’s based on peer pressure, there of course are other valid reasons for someone to choose one and there are also other bad reasons.

I didn’t say that people only buy iPhones because of peer pressure. I said that buying an iPhone due to peer pressure is silly.

Exactly, it’s childish

They’re adopting RCS next year. That’s the open standard.

Having iMessage on Android is dumb.

At least here in Germany whattsapp is the standard. Apple has a phone market share if ~30%. In other countries the Facebook messenger is also quite important afaik.

But apple somehow managed to have pretty much all schools forcing their students to get an IPad. So the apple market share is increasing. I can not tell you how furious that makes me. Every parent has to buy one (or several) of those, so their children can use the most basic teaching apps, that any 100€ tablet could easily run. Poor children get an IPad on tax payers money, so I basically pay for my own children’s IPads and then a part of my tax money also flows to apple. I just wonder who (except Apple) got rich on that deal… I fxxxing hate politicians.

The correct term for that is American by the way, not USAian.

I really hate to break it to you, but the name “America” didn’t come from the Americans.

(And if the person I replied to had been speaking in Spanish, I wouldn’t have had any reason to reply.)