Since EVs are heavy, should be based on dimensions.
Depends on what the goal is. Heavy vehicles do disproportionately more damage to the infrastructure.
They might want to encourage smaller, lighter cars, regardless of type. They certainly make small city EVs, as well as just encouraging walking, biking, public transportation, etc.
Yeah but damage goes up exponentially with weight, so the problem is semi trucks, garbage trucks, buses, etc. Not cars.
Except when the amount of cars is an order or two of magnitude greater than those other two, heavy cars do take their toll on the road surface
It doesn’t work like that when you have exponential damage with weight. Cars use road capacity, but damage from cars just isn’t there. You get damage from seen semi trucks, freeze thaw cycles, etc.
So what? When there’s a lot more cars, especially within a city, and when those cars get a lot heavier, it will do a lot more damage.
A semi isn’t going to drive over inner city roads, at least not regularly.
When damage goes up to the fourth power, cars are very, very minor. While EVs are a bit heavier, they are not that much heavier.
Semi, garbage trucks, transit buses, yellow buses, moving trucks, etc are the ones that wear on roads and what roads are designed for.
I’m amazed at the downvotes.
trucks don’t travel in certain areas in most cities so these vehicles can cause problems in hard to reach areas including inside parking structures. They also tend to limit visibility by being taller than an average person, which can make life more dangerous for pedestrians. There’s a lot of reasons to want to limit SUVs.
A small city car (Kia Picanto) weighs about 900 kg (~2000 pounds), a regular Ford Mustang weighs just under twice that, a Mustang Mach E weighs over twice that and then some.
Damage done will go up.
If you take into account the amount of people a bus transports, or the “useful work” a small semi and garbage trucks do, not even a small city car can win in terms of damage done– let alone a monster of a vehicle carrying one to two persons.
It’s not exponential. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law?wprov=sfla1
Perhaps I should say geometric growth. In any case to the fourth power is quite high growth.
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Not sure where you pulled 8000lbs from, even a fully speced out expedition isn’t going to be 6000lbs. Most non full sized ones, especially ones like the CRV or escape or something are under 4,000lbs. A model 3 weighs more than the majority of those smaller SUVs.
Don’t try to take this as any sort of pro-suv or anti-ev message, quite the opposite. Spouting incorrect bullshit makes people less likely to believe the actual facts, such as the increase of SUVs and trucks quite literally killing us.
My truck weights 4400lbs. What SUV is 8000?
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President’s armoured SUVs!
Everything which is related to the common space should be charged or even limited by their impact in the common space.
SUV’s are bigger so use more space, are almost twice as likely to kill a pedestrian in a collision than other cars, interfere with the ability of other road users to spot danger sooner (because people in normal cars behind a SUV often are in a position too low to see the road beyond the SUV through its windows) and because of being heavier and less aerodinamically efficient consume more hence polute more (even the electric ones indirectly polute more because not all electricity is generated from renewals).
So it makes sense that SUVs get hit by significantly higher charges related to their impact in the common space or even limited in some places because they’re much more dangerous to pedestrians and negativelly impact the safety of other road users.
I understand something like a GMC Suburban or a Cadillac Escalade, but the Porsche Macan (in article thumbnail) and many other compact SUVs take up the same curb space and about the same weight and length as a standard sedan.
- Porsche Macan (SUV): 4400lbs, 186.1"
- Honda CRV (SUV): 3285lbs, 184.8"
- Audi A4 (sedan): 3700lbs, 187.5"
- Pegeout 508 (sedan): 3290lbs, 187"
vs
- Cadillac Escalade (SUV): 6200lbs, 211"
- Range Rover (SUV): 6025lbs, 207"
Unless they put weighted meters at every parking space, would be interesting to see how they enforce this. Compact-SUVs are useful and are well equipped for their weight (AWD, safety features, space-efficient).
Here is a cool chart showing weight vs road wear. Not sure how scientific it is, but shows cars around 4000lbs are considered normal wear.
Unless the goal is to move drivers to the subcompact-sedan form factor.
- Mini Cooper: 3144lbs, 159.1"
- Citreon C3: 2226lbs, 156.7"
Then they could make low cost parking spaces ~170" long and any cars that do not fit in that would have to go in the bigger spaces with a higher rate. Very curious how they would implement it without costing the tax payer too much.
Chart seems about right, road wear scales to the 4th power of weight per axle.
Which makes the Range Rover about 40x the road wear of the Citroen C3.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
PARIS, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Paris aims to drive large sports utility vehicles (SUVs) out of its centre by hiking parking fees for heavy cars in the French capital, and it plans a citizens’ vote on the proposal early next year.
After banning rental scooters in September in the wake of a citizen’s vote, Paris will hold a local referendum on Feb. 4 about “the place of SUVs in the capital”.
“We need to reduce the number and the size of cars in the city, that is why we will submit to a vote the question of how much space there should be for this type of vehicle in Paris,” Deputy Mayor David Belliard, an ecologist, told Reuters.
Under Mayor Anne Hidalgo, Paris has for years raised pressure on drivers by increasing parking costs and gradually banning diesel vehicles, while boosting the bicycle lane network in the congested capital.
In a few years, in a few months, they won’t be welcome in Paris with this type of behaviour," Belliard said.
He said Paris also wanted car manufacturers to stop building this type of vehicle because they were too expensive, too polluting and unsuitable for cramped city centres.
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I dont expect parking fees to affect people who already buyva car that is not economically viable. It hits where it does not hurt.
Here’s the thing: people don’t make decision based on cost, but on what they feel what the cost is. For example: there are studies showing people underestimate the cost of car ownership by a factor of 2. They typically forget about the loss in value and the repair costs. Parking fees (if taken per occasion) are cost that people actually feel every day, making it more likely that they factor into their decision, maybe even more so than fuel costs.
Good. Too bad it will never happen in the US. I’m sick and tired of these shitboxes that destroy visibility and kill people, always being operated by someone clueless (and usually single occupancy).
They should drive out large cars before heavy cars.
I hope they don’t come up with a superlight suv to defeat this. mostly because it would likely turn over easily.
Cars are already as light as they can reasonably be unless you get into something hyper specialized. And then you just have a tin can with wheels.
Unless they go full carbon fiber and titanium just as a middle finger to the weight tax/fee lol
You could do something like this velomobile at under 350kg (750lb).
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