Has there been changes to what games you choose to buy and play?
I remember the first time I came in contact with DLC, coincidentally it was my first Steam game: Supreme Commander 2.
My first thought was: “What the fuck is this? Why isn’t this in the game?”. Later on, when DLC were getting more substantial, my thoughts changed to; ”Are they just rebranding Expansion Packs?”.
As other people noted, I don’t care about cosmetics. Even for Dota 2, which I’ve put over a thousand hours in and have played it 10 years, I just sell them on the marketplace to fund my next summer sale. The only time I buy stuff is when I want to support the game’s development.
My gaming time is too limited to worry about battle passes and shit like that. I just wanna click heads and farm creeps.
Edit: the one thing that does bum me out though is that back before item shops and shit, skins and unlocks used to mean something. Like, you’d see some dude in your Halo 3 lobby with a dope-ass helmet and you knew that he earned that from getting a Killtacular with only deagle headshots. Now it’s just, dude’s level 150. He must’ve swiped for the ultimate edition, XP boosters, or has too much free time.
Paying once for a game was so nice. You pay and then you can finish the game at a your own pace. There are still games like this but more often now even if you pay someone is always trying to get another 2.99 or 9.99 from you. Before you could get a cool skin because you did something now you pay.
I take some satisfaction in always being the most boring character in a multiplayer lobby. In halo 3 I worked so hard for the samurai or ninja armour but now it feels like it isn’t part of the game at all.
Getting updates has been extremely nice as well though. There’s plenty of old games that had design issues or you wished something was a bit more fleshed out. Back then, you didn’t really expect much in the way of updates though. PC got some patches but it was mostly bugs. Console was totally stuck with what you got.
While I’m not a DLC person, I can’t deny it can be fun watching a game you play continue to evolve.
It pushed me straight back to uncompromising piracy, and a total refusal to give money for any reason unless the game is fully offline and on physical media.
I believe in piracy for “demo” purposes. If the studio “forgot” to provide an official demo, you as a consumer should take matters into your own hands and provide the ‘demo’. Delete it when you’ve played a ‘demo’s worth’, which did have a fairly industry standard meaning back in the day.
When I became willing to play this 1 older game that shall remain nameless, and pay for it, I went looking for a Game Of The Year edition to pay for or some such. For some reason, this particular game never released a comprehensive GOTY. They expected you to download a quite silly amount of expensive DLC for trivial features. Slightly more powerful items in a RPG, basically. Those items even had the effect of ruining the game balance, so I’m not convinced it was even a good idea to have the DLC. Yet they expected you to pay for it sight unseen.
This was all driven by some kind of big corporate trick or scumbagging. I think it was an EA published title. Because they were clearly being greedy with an older title, I said to hell with them. It is one of the only games I’ve played in its entirety, that I didn’t pay for, that wasn’t abandonware. If you’re gonna be like that and your price on goods is not reasonable, I don’t feel I have to cooperate with you.
Now that I know what’s going on with DLC games, and also the low level of quality that’s going to result when a publisher engages in such practices, I’m not likely to seek a ‘demo’ of such a game at all. I will probably retain my demo only, not pirating purity in that regard. But to the extent I’ve ever been impure, that once, it was directly driven by the DLC. I was like waaaat, srs, gtfo.
Unfathomably annoying, especially when it comes to modding games. The amount of times I’ve had mods or settings break because of some update that added useless content that I don’t want is honestly disgusting. For the most part, I’ve stopped buying games near their release date because I’d rather buy the game when it’s more feature-complete. The DLC scenario has become an issue in that it effectively translates to, “You will not get the game’s content in it’s entirety upon purchase”, which is unthinkable in other scenarios.
Imagine going to a restaurant and paying the price of a meal just to be seated. If you want appetizers like chips and salsa, it costs $9.99 per bowl. Drinks (including water) are $5.99. Both for the appetizers and for the meal, you pay the waiter first, sides are $2.50 extra. After purchase, they’ll give you an estimated wait time for your food, which may be delayed for any reason or cancelled altogether, even though you’ve already paid for it. The food comes out but it’s not what you ordered, the meat is undercooked, the portions are significantly smaller than advertised, or it’s actually a different dish altogether. You attempt to complain to the waiter, wanting to get the food you promised. The waiter tells you “Thanks for the feedback!” and leaves, never to be seen again. You hear grumblings from others around you that they’re having the same problems. What they ordered is not what they got, or something hasn’t been made properly. One guy waited all evening before they finally delivered enough food, piece-by-piece, to make up the meal he ordered. Eventually, after enough people have complained, the waiter comes back and gives everyone silverware. Nothing changes about anyone’s meals, but you now have silverware (even though you likely already had some before).
You leave the restaurant, annoyed, with less money, and still hungry. You later find a social media post from the restaurant’s cook complaining that their customers are self-entitled and are “expecting too much”.TL;DR - Its like fast food, but without the “fast”.
… Or the “food”…Dude we’re old af and don’t have time to finish the games themselves. We sure as shit don’t have time to play extra levels on top.
So have you come to embrace lets plays of games?
Who has time for that either lol
Lol hell no. I can’t figure out why my kids want to watch some stranger play a video game.
When I played World of Warcraft, you had no cosmetics. It was the monthly subscription and the odd expansion. Everything in the game was accessible if you were willing to put the time and effort into it. Some content was very long so you really had to pick what you wanted. Some people had special fishing gear, some people had a fancy mount, and others had fancy titles.
While some of that still remains, I find way too much is accessible with money in most games. There’s good and bad. You have games constantly push out new content, refreshing gameplay, and skins to pay for it. On the other hand, you have games that just try to milk their customers. I’d say 99% of mobile games are absolute disgraces.
The other facet is that I’m older now. I don’t have the absolute freedom that comes with being a child. If I can pay an extra dollar to progress a bit quicker, maybe that’s better for me? I don’t know.
No adjustment. I don’t play those games.
I’ve observed what I believe to be a fundamental shift over the design approach to games. Now this may just be my different views of the world as I grew up, but maybe there’s at least a kernel of truth.
DLC was originally a good thing because it added additional content to your favorite games, giving you more of what you love. Prior to DLC, we had something called Expansions which kind of served the same purpose (in a mostly offline capacity). Then, someone got the bright idea of changing things from a content-focused approach to a monetize-focused approach. Suddenly you started seeing content stripped from the game to be sold back to you at additional cost. This is where I see the industry start shifting to avoid risk and homogonizing their titles while stripping as much as is viable to monetize. Now you have microtransactions (MTX) instead of cheat codes, DLC restoring cut content instead of providing new content, special editions to give you back your physical goods, early access instead of demos, preorder bonuses to get you to buy before you try.
Now don’t get me wrong, there was always a desire driven by making money present in the industry. Most arcades were designed around brutal difficulty and unavoidable game overs to drain more quarters from you. Console games saw this take shape in the form of short-devepment licensed titles (or shovelware as it’s coloquially known). The brutal difficulty of early console games was more of a leftover from that arcade game design philosophy, but didn’t serve the same purpose here. However, there was a gradual shift from making money from making games to making games to make money as the industry grew.
I feel like the soul of video games development has been lost from all but the small indie developers who still do things for the love of it. The largest “triple A” publishers don’t give a damn about video games, video games development, gamers, or their own product so far as it provides a return on investment. People like Kotick would eagerly and uncaringly destroy the entire video game industry if it meant a way to profit. There’s no soul there.As for post-launch updates, it’s a complicated answer. Prior to updates, what you got was what you got, unless the publisher/developer designed to release an updated version. Since this was costly to do, it rarely happened, but it did happen on occasion; usually with games that had severe game-breaking bugs. Being able to patch a game after it released was, like DLC, both a good thing and a bad thing. Good in that it addressed bugs and made for a better overall product. Bad in that it allowed downgrading of a product, such as when a music licensed expired (See GTA). Additionally, I think that publishers/developers have become far too reliant on this function to push out bad products with the intent to fix it after launch. This is, in my opinion, fraud as they are selling consumers a known-defective product with the promise that they may fix it later. But, that’s not for me to decide legally speaking.
So to address the original intent of the question, I tend to stick with what I know and avoid big name publisher titles unless they aren’t riddled with soulless monetization. I also tend to wait for reviews rather than preorder so that I know I’m not buying defective trash. That’s how I cope.
Most of us don’t notice microtransactions because we don’t give a flying fuck about cosmetics and skins. It’s a self-correcting problem: stop buying them and they go away.
I wait for deep sales now. That usually comes with the downside that the game isn’t as hyped up or commonplace, but on the flipside, it’s been patched and surely someone on the internet has fixes to any issues that may arise.
I do buy into monetization sometimes, but I tend to budget it very tightly and only go for cheap skins, or novelty gacha characters.
depends on the DLC. some DLCs are like expansion packs. not a fan of microtransactions but love included updates like minecraft, terraria, satisfactory etc
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DLCs, when done right, aren’t the worst. Like others have said, it’s just expansion packs rebranded. The memes about selling you the rest of the game after releasing it was funny. It’s wild how people used to be up in arms about is what the norm is now.
What I entirely missed the train on is the GaaS/season pass nonsense. I can’t wrap my mind around it.
The adjustment? What adjustment 🤣
That is to say, I basically just didn’t. Sometimes I’ll grab a DLC that adds something I particularly want but usually I play the game first and then it’s a waste because I don’t actually go back through to play the DLC stuff :| :-\ And microtransactions… ugh. So often they’re not micro, and never are they actually independent of the game itself when they have any mechanical effect. It’s never “Here’s the game, but if you wanna skip a bit you can pay for that” but rather “Here’s the game, slowed down by 30%. If you want that 30% back then pay up!” Gross. Fair cosmetics (that is, it’s still possible to play the dressup minigame without paying (/more) for it) to support an indie or free-to-play thing are fair, though, I think.
I don’t care for how games are now. I’d rather Kentucky windage bugs than half the dev team monetizing nonsense.
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[1 of 3]It was first expansions that you could buy. Like add-ons to the game that added content. You’d buy them in a store and have to install them separately over/in the original game.
Then they were served over the internet and would just install themselves.
Then there were patches and stuff.
Then… Those started to sort of blur together. Different companies would give them to you for free, others would charge you for it. Most pc titles only charged you for the big additions, and PlayStation stuff was also largely free services. But Microsoft on xbox was like lolno u gota pay. And everybody followed suit.
And now you pay for the game, the expansion, skins, save slots, storage space for items, quality of life fixes, new audio, etc.
And now it is the sole purpose of the “game” studios, the worst thing to happen:
“Games As A Service”
You pay for everything and the game is designed around selling stuff. It’s not fun, it’s bad quality, it’s expensive, and it’s just the way things are now for everything except small foreign indie studios.
Specifically those things together. Small AND Foreign AND indie. I was looking at what games I actually liked playing in the past ten or so years, and almost every single one was a small studio, in Scandinavia or croatia or Asia, and was an independent studio. I was SHOCKED.
I get that games in the 80s and 90s (I’m only 33 but I know my history, I started gaming in the late 90s) used to cost 60-70$ and have gone DOWN in price despite massive and constant inflation. But instead of accounting for the real need for now cash to still develop games with the same scale, features, depth, and quality by just increasing the price, they’ve chosen to itemize the price behind the lie of a free trial of an intentionally limited and frustrating “game” full of mechanisms to coerce you to constantly spend money.
I’ve worked in construction, and this is the same unethical behavior a lot of contractors do. They start out with a low price, and “find” problems that you’re basically forced to do change orders on. It’s super predatory and deeply unethical, and the same thing that the game industry is ALL moving towards.
I really wish studios would just come out and say “this is how much the game costs us to build if you want lv 1 quality, this for lv 2, and this for lv 3. This is how much we forecast it will cost you players for each level.” And just try to gague interest and make the best possible game possible within some forecasts, with maybe ranges of price with the final price being different at the end. I know that’s probably too much to ask, but GaaS is soooo, so frustrating.
I love gaming. I played, in their eras, a lot of the greatest games of all time. And NONE of them felt like you were ripped off. Not even for the mediocre titles. And it feels like the scopes of games now are just taking a decent minigame from some masterpiece game of the past, adding in some extra features, polishing it up a bit, selling it at full price, then selling extra bits piecemeal to try to make even more money. Like, bro, that was a MINIgame in ff8! You didn’t even have to play it, it was just there if you needed a break from the rest of the game!
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[2 of 3]Also, I love great graphics. I love tech and think a lot of the technical progress we’ve made in the past decade has been really cool…
But I just don’t give a shit about any of it if the game sucks. The other day, my brother in law bought the group of us this weird Japanese game, made in 2019 but looked like it was made in 2001 called Earth Defense Force 5. It has some technical issues and honestly looks embarrassingly bad. But - it’s FUN! It’s a bit limited in scope for a full price game, but it’s ACTUALLY fun.
Contrary to that, we bought diablo4. I liked Diablo 3, especially after they added a ton of lategame stuff after the expansion, it is honestly a super good game. Diablo has always been a fairly small scope, somewhat casually playable party game - it has never been a long dramatic epic, that’s just not what it is, it’s a fun game that you play with your friends and grind out new gear. D3 was colorful, goofy, adventurous, and felt good (only after the expansion).
But d4… is both literally and metaphorically brown. It isn’t colorful, it’s built around a micro transaction shop and basically a quarterly subscription meant to draw you in and keep paying. There’s a reason I didn’t play world of warcraft - I thought it was overpriced and grindy, meant to slow your progress to make you play longer.
Compare that to guild wars… you buy the game… And that’s it. An mmo that you just play when you feel, no subscription. They sell expansions every few years and have a cash shop, but most of the things are silly skins or hats or musical instruments. You aren’t SUPPOSED to buy them all, they’re just there to further support the studio if you want. (There’s the bag limitations, but I forgive that for all the other positives).
Things have changed. I don’t buy AAA games basically ever since basically the ps2 era. I’m always watching and waiting though. I remain hopeful, watching dunkey and total biscuit before he died, and zero punctuation, and a few others. But, very few things made me want to buy them, and none have motivated me to do so on consoles. I think PC is superior in every way, but I love consoles and have been looking for an excuse to buy the new PlayStation now for a LONG time. The dualsense almost made me do it, but the games were just so MEHHHH and derivative, and I just bought the controller and use it on pc anyway. It’s a bit dumbly designed, and is somehow inferior to a lot of the previous controllers, I really think the ps2 was peak controllers minus the long throw L/R2 triggers. Did you know that the buttons on the PlayStations in that era were analog? The BUTTONS. It would know how hard you were pushing them and the GTAs of that era used them for throttle. They didn’t have to do that! But, xbox was all shitty stolen design and super cheap and nicked and dimed at every chance they could, even forcing developers that WANTED to give free content to sell it so as to not set a precedent (ex: valve l4d map packs).
So, to try to close this book of a post out, yes, there have been changes to what games I buy and play. I am a hell of a critic, a cynic, and am sad and depressed games are like this now. I’m aware of how it all happened, but I’m no happier for it. I miss super integrous critics that would outright fail games for good reasons and act constructively to everybody’s benefit, and how they were super influential and gamers world actually listen to them.
But now, instead of word of mouth “play this it’s fun”, or somebody showing me a game every few months and it looks awesome…
Instead of those ways, I hear that trailers for a game have come out, watch it, and I’m either immediately deflated and disappointed, I’ve got red flags shooting up that just end up being true, or I’m entirely not interested in another fad battle royale early access game.
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[3 of 3]Now, I do the thing for streaming series and movies:
Don’t buy into hype. Ever. Just don’t. Don’t play anything new. It’s all shitty and it’s always broken. And don’t play anything that doesn’t look and review and gameplay and has real, organic lasting feedback unless it’s a few years old and people are STILL playing it. It’s the “if it’s good, it’ll stick around” test. Let it get fixed. Let it get patched. Let the suckers waste their time. It’ll be around in the future no matter what. And if it’s good, it’ll still be good later. I know this isn’t the best for the studios, but they need to stop making fucking bad games with bad business models. I do absolutely buy full price games if i actually think they’re good. If you, publishers, want to milk all the suckers and people that can’t help themselves, I don’t like it but I can’t do anything about it, but you won’t see a cent from me. D4 being GaaS and ultra brown and me buying it was a calculated mistake. I was sure that Blizzard wouldn’t fuck it up, but they did. I’m also sure that they’ll fix it. So we’ll see.
To the person who initially posted this: I want to know how old you are, what your history and experience is in gaming, and why you even care or want to hear what bitter old gamers have to say. Assuming you’re gen z or alpha, or at least younger than me, the fact that you asked this leads me to believe you’ve either noticed the old gamers complaining ISN’T totally unsubstantiated, or are curious. Well, I’m curious, too. I want to know from the people that DO buy and HAVE BEEN buying AAA games, why you do that? I want to know if it’s just me, or what about me and my experience makes me not see these games as fun or valuable? Are they really as mindless as I’ve found on my own? Or is there something I’m missing in my bitterness? Do I know too much and have played too many good games? Or have I created masterpieces out of nostalgic memories? Why can’t I find newer games fun? Am I unable to be developed for? Or am I just not worth as much? What’s the deal? Where are the games I want to play?
There’s literally no WAY that I’m a small democratic of untapped low-prioritized gamers. Do people in my experience group just whine too much and expect too much? Because we’re probably very much willing to pay. If ff7 remake were actually good, released all at once, and was 500$ for the FULL game that succeeded the fun that we had while he playing the original, there would be obvious questions, but TONS of people would still buy it. Video cards in 2000 cost like 250$ high end, and ff7 was 50&, about 1/5th the price. High end videocards now are 2000 and 1/5th is about 400$, so not super far off, really. Sure, wages and cost of living are FUCKED up right now, but it’s the same for everybody, including developers. Just, you need more developers for longer, now, since it takes more people longer to do the same amount of playable content. It doesn’t HAVE to, but we all want fancy new graphics and mocap and studio recorded and mastered orchestra and shaders and complex sound programming and layered animations and all the other complexity it takes. Why not just pay more, all at once, and have games be ACTUALLY good?
Apparently because you make more money on addicting kids to micro transactions than you do being fucking responsible.
Once again, unethical business practices doing the same shit are to blame. And WHY do they do that? Because stockholders and corporations dictate maximization of profit and not what’s good for the workers or the consumers. It ALWAYS comes down to this. Always. And us old fucks know it and don’t support it and do our best to educate the ignorant. We say “don’t do that” and “that’s bad” and “it used to be better” and “go play this old game so that you’ll know better”. But unfortunately, graphics and dopamine farms far outweigh smelly old, paced games with some old technical flaws, and unless played fully, can’t even draw an audience when compared to the dopamine fix and the invigorating outrage and frustration you get from playing CoD16: Black Hawks 5 - BloodTide deathmatch in 8k HDR @120fps vsync on a 70 inch oled on the brand new console. So cooooooool~ “Hold up, just gotta buy my season pass, the dungeon key, renew my sub, buy this 40$ emote dance that’s super funny, and this skin. Yeaaah, 70$ for a Zelda game is a bit much for a game though, nobody’s gunna buy that…”
<---- translated to Nintendo-eese: “Hi, we either want more microtransactions instead of paying $10 more for the game, or we want the game to be a little shittier in every way… and ALSO microtransactions.”
