• Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
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    You’ll all be vegan by choice or by force when every living animal that crepeth upon the earth is extinct.

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          “individual consumers are responsible for environmental problems” is such an insidious lie and i had hoped not to see it on 196

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            Companies are responsible, sure, but why not do your part in making a difference? Apart from there not being any justification for killing animals for pleasure.

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              You know humans have evolved to eat meat? Hunting animals is literally a core feature of us as an animal. It’s much easier to have a healthy omnivorous diet than a vegan one because our bodies are adapted to consume animal and plants together. It’s not a fact you can ignore and it’s the reason why vegans need artificial supplements or risk severe health issues.

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                Not even a vegan but this is such a bad argument lmao. Are you hunting the animals you eat? If not, you’re not just eating meat, you are directly participating in a system that tortures them before they die. Factory farms are horrific. If you’re gonna eat meat and animals products, fine, but don’t pretend like it’s just “what’s natural.”

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                    You are not hunting the animals. Go set traps in the woods, gather a bunch of friends with sharpened sticks and some good throwing rocks, and drive some deer into your traps. That is what’s “natural.” Again, I think it’s fine if you choose to eat meat, but the meat industry is not “natural,” nor is it harmless.

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                Humans have evolved on an omnivorous diet. The evolution-from-meat-eating myth has been debunked many times over. Compared to an actual carnivore, our digestion is more akin to a herbivore than a carnivore. Just because we can eat meat, does not mean we should.

                Edit: Not even to speak of the fact that most meats the average person eats are stuffed full of antibiotics, so eating those does not equate a healthy diet.

                Edit: Have a few sources too: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/ancestors-ate-meat/resources

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                  I said you should eat an omnivorous diet, not a carnivore one. Did you even read my comment?

                  Most meats do not contain antibiotics, that only happens in countries with bad food safety regulations. Antibiotics are also not a bad thing by any means, though you should use them selectively. Just because an animal has had antibiotics in the past dosen’t mean they still have significant levels when they are slaughtered.

                  Those sources are heavily biased. Human ancestor ate both meat and vegetables. Even chimpanzees eat insects, which are actually very nutritionous!

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            The post doesn’t mention environmental problems. Most vegans, including myself, are more focused on the animals.