Authors using a new tool to search a list of 183,000 books used to train AI are furious to find their works on the list.

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    just reinforcement learning models

    …like the naturally occuring neural networks are.

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      The brain does not work the way you think… (I work in the field, bio-informatics). What you call “neural networks” come from an early misunderstanding of how the brain stores information. It’s a LOT more complicated and frankly, barely understood.

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        It’s a LOT more complicated and frankly, barely understood.

        Yet you confidently state that the brain doesn’t work the way LLMs do?

        Obviously it doesn’t work exactly the same way that LLMs do, if only because of the completely different substrates. But when you get to more nebulous concepts like “creativity” and “inspiration” it’s not so clear.

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          The part where brain and neural net differ is in the learning via backpropagation, that seem to be done different in the brain, as there is no mechanism to go backwards through the network and jiggle the weights.

          That aside, they seem to work very similar once they are trained, as the knowledge they are able to extract from data ends up being basically the same that a human would be able to extract. There is surprisingly little weirdness in AI and a surprising amount of human-like capabilities.

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      Tell you what, you get a landmark legal decision classifying LLM as people and then we’ll talk.

      Until then it’s software being fed content in a way not permitted by its license i.e. the makers of that software committing copyright infringement.

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          Using it to (create a tool to) create derivatives of the work on a massive scale.

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            An AI model is not a derivative work. It does not contain the copyrighted expression, just information about the copyrighted expression.

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            Wikipedia: In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyrightable elements of a first, previously created original work.

            I think you may be off a bit on what a derivative work is. I don’t see LLMs spouting out major copyrightable elements of books. They can give a summary sure, but Cliff Notes would like to have a word if you think that’s copyright infringement.

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            Better tell that Google and their search index, book scanning project and knowledge graph.

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              Would you be okay with applying that argument for any crime?

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                I would be, and I don’t understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn’t want the government to be preventing activities that there weren’t any actual laws prohibiting.

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                  You’re missing the point. I’ll make your example more specific.

                  Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems.

                  Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it’s not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime “no problem”, as you put it.