Could be the type of pet, the breed, how they behave, their relationship…anything about the pet that informs you on their human.

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    The majority of human beings live in urban areas where its ridiculously unsafe for cats. In the city every outdoor cat is either abandoned or feral and neither particularly long for this world.

    Outdoor cats live about 3-5 years, indoor cats live 10-20. Again shitty humans.

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      3-5 years, indoor cats live 10-20

      Atomic family has amassed 60 years total working SPCA/Vet/etc . They can all confirm it’s that bad.

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      That, as you implied, depends on the environment. In a safe rural setting, which are not as depopulated as one would think (would people complain of rural America for example if it was a drop in the bucket), it’s more like one to three years less than the average indoor cat.

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        Good think we don’t have to make up the answers when we can look them up!

        14% of Americans live in rural settings

        https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/102576/eib-230.pdf

        (warning large pdf) search for text 14 percent its on page 4.

        The more comfortable life of an indoor cat significantly increases his lifespan. An indoor cat may live 15-17 years, while the life expectancy for outdoor cats is only 2-5 years, according to researchers at University of California-Davis.

        https://www.petmd.com/cat/care/can-indoor-cat-be-part-time-outdoor-cat

        It really is very very bad. rural areas may have less traffic but they also have more wild animals

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          There are whole US states that are nothing but rural. 14% definitely doesn’t sound right, unless they have a high bar for what’s considered rural. Wild animals are definitely a thing, but only a few of the rarer ones to find in a quiet neighborhood setting are going to desire a fight with a cat. Dogs are more likely to meet their end outside because they’re the ones that go around picking the fights with other animals.

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            It’s weird that you respond to actual information based on what your feels tell you.

            There are whole US states that are nothing but rural

            There are in fact not. Smaller states still have cities and people tend to be concentrated around those cities ND the very definition of a shit hole state with nothing in it. 85% of its meager population lives in the metro areas surrounding its 5 biggest (for ND) cities. The other 15% live in the other 99% of the state.

            Lets look at a population density map to better visualize this. https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2021/geo/population-distribution-2020.html

            Outdoor cats just don’t live near as long on average. This isn’t about your feels its about reality its about stats.

            Regarding the safety of rural areas. Dogs kill cats, cats kill other cats, raccoons kill cats, eagles and other predatory birds kill cats, cars kill cats, eating poisoned nuisance animals kills cats, coyotes kill cats.

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              shit hole state

              Feels, huh?

              Concentrations =/= ceasing to be rural

              I’m from VT, we’re rural enough in the sense that our “cities” have an average of a few thousand people in them, challenging your notion/definition here.

              I didn’t say cats don’t shorten their lives by being outside, I was saying it’s not as significant a game changer as you make it out to be.

              Except for dogs which are typically kept from being outside, of all the animals mentioned there, coyotes and eagles and other predatory birds are rare in town limits and raccoons don’t attack for no reason unless it has rabies, which itself is rare. So is poisoned food since it became illegal to poison potential prey animals (how many animals do you see dead after having eaten poisoned prey). Cars will be a threat if the street is busy and the driver doesn’t stop, but that’s not necessitated. Silliest of all is you saying cats kill other cats, which happens rarely as there is no reason.

              The so-called 15% who have been doing this for ages without being swarmed about it by the feds can attest this is normal and does not have the impact those who claim to speak for the 85% claim it has.

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                Quora is a very very bad source. You’ll find threads there in support of the flat earth! It’s as real as asking your neighbors knowing that none of them actually know and everyone is just repeating their own anecdotes. I on the other hand quoted UC Davis Veterinary Medicine. All the threats I mentioned are in fact very real.

                You offer fanciful counters like the cars won’t be a problem if the driver stops! You are just trying to justify your outdoor cat which will die sooner than mine.

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                  What cat? Rural traffic doesn’t follow your expectations, which you seem to have a lot of. Cars are not some constant flow here as they are in the cities, in fact kids here sometimes play frisbee over the road. Define what constitutes a good source to quote and I will quote one in my defense that fits your definition, because the big deal everyone is making it out to be is exaggerated.