• circuscritic@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      You think Biden is bad? Well what about this game of alternative history where something worse happens? Guess that means his support of an active genocide is actually a good thing, huh?

      Wow, you’re right. I really didn’t consider your fictional alternative history universe when forming my opinions on events in this reality.

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        2 months ago

        I’m not American so maybe I got it wrong, but isn’t it possible they will be the two major candidates?

        I’d love to be wrong and we could worry about who the real nominee will be.

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          They will be the two major party candidates.

          But the comment I was responding to is basically saying “We have to support Biden’s genocide and turn to fascism because the GOP’s brand of facsism would be even worse”.

          Even if you accept that argument, or believe the tradeoff is worth it, those advocating it for always conspicuously leave out the moral hazard portion of that equation in regards to the message their unwavering support sends to the Democratic party leadership:

          No matter what you do, including actively contributing to a genocide, we will still vote for you to keep the GOP from power.

          Personally, I think one openly fascist party is already too much in our two party system and believe we shouldn’t take anything off the table to prevent us from having two of them.

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            They will be the two major party candidates.

            They are 81 and 77, theres still hope one (or both) of them die before it’s too late.

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            2 months ago

            One wonder why the Democratic Party should even bother since there will always be a boogeyman that will make them go “It’s either us… or them”.

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            I don’t really follow it but I see enough headlines around to wonder, all of Trump’s legal trouble aren’t going to be a barrier? It’s still allowed? The party is corrupt enough to feel confident supporting him anyway? Do I want to know the answers to these questions?

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              The Supreme Court of the United States is currently hearing arguments on whether Trump has immunity from criminal acts until Congress does the political act of impeaching in the House and convicting in the Senate. Meaning this congress or a later congress would first have to impeach, convict, and remove from office a president that is already out of office.

              It sounds silly because it is, but the justices Trump appointed appear to have his back and are prepared to make that decision in his favor.

              So we are close to seeing if Trump’s legal troubles will be politically whisked away so he can get re-elected or not.

              The party is supporting him either way, regardless of a legal ruling or any regard to the law.

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              Yes, voting for the party and candidates that I want to vote for based on my own convictions - which right now doesn’t include any national Democratic candidates.

              If you’re happy with the Democratic party, then vote for them.

              If you believe that the path of Democratic party is headed on is acceptable, then vote for them.

              If you can accept that the Democratic party will only get worse from here, but believe that’s still better than the GOP, then vote for them.

              You do whatever you feel is best for you.

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                Yes, voting for the party and candidates that I want to vote for based on my own convictions - which right now doesn’t include any national Democratic candidates.

                Sure sounds nice on paper, but what do you expect to achieve by doing this?

                What do you think would happen if everyone who is disillusioned with Biden but isn’t a Trump supporter voted 3rd party?

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                  Why does my vote have to align with your internal political game theory monologue?

                  Just FYI your hypothetical would be the biggest electoral defeat for an American party in modern history and would probably force the Democrats to actually to be responsive to their base.

                  Think of all the policies that the Democratic base want, but that the current iteration of the party refuses to deliver on: Medicare for all, Israeli policy, Pro Act, tax reform, expanding social safety nets, etc.

                  But, again, I’m just voting my own conscience. You support what your conscience tells you to.

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      Shh… you will disturb their misleading narrative and not usher in the worst possible future for the US and the world. I wonder who, in this yuge world, would benefit from that course of events. It’s a damn mystery.

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      Based on what? He started the withdrawal in Afghanistan. Hes said he wants to end the war in Ukraine. The ways he wants to do it are wrong but Trump is not exactly been a huge warmonger.

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      They sure haven’t been involved in stopping the suppression of student protests, either.

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        What powers can the federal government exercise to interfere?

        I’m not aware of anything Biden can do without the approval of congress, but if there is we should start advocating for it.