flatpak remote-add flathub-verified --subset=verified https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
I love flatpak but if you aren’t using the AUR on arch what’s the point?!
Wait people don’t just install arch to say that they use it ?
I love Arch but I hate installing and configuring it.
I might have something shocking to tell you. There are distros with good defaults!
Can you recommend a rolling release distro that has good defaults for hyprland or sway?
I can recommend a semi-rolling distro ;D wayblue has some defaults, but I have not tried it. There also is a hardened version of it under the secureblue images. Although I think the maintainer has horrible control issues, I cant deny that the product is near perfect (apart from opinionated Chromium enforcements and some hacky parts like LD_PRELOADing a different allocator) and use the kinoite variant daily.
I cannot.
Endeavour OS is great but it’s just arch.
Gentoo with oddlama/gentoo-install is nice too.
Personally I’ve been enjoying Garuda with sway.
But that’s okay as it’s rolling release and unlike other distros you only need to do it exactly once…
Arch wiki
I mean most of it works for every distro, not just arch.
I really like Arch in general, I’d use it without the AUR too. Pacman is great, the repos are nice and girthy, the install process is fast, no bloat. Why wouldn’t you use Arch?
because i want to trigger arch users
The installation script fails much too often, so you have to do it manually.
He was asking for reasons to not use Arch… Installing by hand is (more than)half the fun.
it can still be faster than most other installers
Other distros suck tho
The Arch repos, being quick, rolling, not restricted legally or being upstream of some corpo distro like Fedora or OpenSUSE etc
There are people that choose flatpak for some apps and the AUR for other apps I heard from a friend 🌚
I just want new packages and Tumbleweed sucks, and don’t even get me started on Fedora and their codec nonsense. Every time I tried Fedora I run into issues. You can’t even use their packaged version of VLC cause they don’t also package the correct version of ffmpeg. Fedora is a joke. Nobara even worse cause that one is outdated on top of it. Arch is the way and you are all wrong.
Agree on the Fedora problem, but the solution is pretty easy.
# install the RPM packages, your system is auto detected, the packages take care of updating the repos sudo dnf install https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm # enable cisco-openh264 to be sure sudo dnf config-manager --enable fedora-cisco-openh264 # install ffmpeg with allowerase sudo dnf install ffmpeg --allowerasing # or, if you just want videos, without uninstalling anything sudo dnf install libavcodec-freeworldThats basically it. On the Atomic variants, installing
libavcodec-freeworldis just as easy, but allowerasing doesnt work so you need to uninstall everything manually to unbreak ffmpeg. Or you just use uBlue where it is already done and default (this will also avoid any rpmfusion incompatibilities to happen on your device and on the server instead)Yes this is annoying, but you do that once and afterwards have a current release more stable than Arch, and an old-supported release that is even more stable.
but allowerasing doesnt work so you need to uninstall everything manually to unbreak ffmpeg
There we go, that’s probably what I should have done. Utterly ridiculous! That’s too bad since Kinoite is the best immutable distro out there right now IMHO. (No, I don’t count NixOS)
And we can go deeper still, cause I have also tried uBlue! And what do you know, even uBlue sucks. I swear to you I had issues I could not figure out how to solve on every single Fedora 39 thing I tried. Yes, I will admit that a user who is used to the Fedora way will have probably easily solved all those, but not me. And I could say the same about Arch, only on Arch I actually know how to solve my problems. And on Arch people would assume having to fix stuff manually, not on Fedora though. Fedora should be an “it just works” distro like Mint, but it’s SO GOD DAMN far from it. Anyways, I honestly believe the entire Fedora eco-system is straight up cursed.
Agree, fedora atomic is the best OS base there is. I am also testing COSMIC which is now under the ublue org.
discussion.fedoraproject.org is there for problems.
I agree that Fedora variants need more tweaking, but processes are so damn slow. For example setting up external repos would very well be possible, but they will add an intransparent “add external repos” page to Kinoite. At least that.
Don’t you ever talk to me or my wife’s distro ever again
Ah, a man of culture
Thank software patents for the codec trouble, not Fedora / Red Hat. They just don’t want to get their asses sued for free software
Anyway I can use VLC and ffmpeg just fine with RPMFusion, idk what ur issue is, but judging by that
you are all wrong
i probably just wasted my time on a brainless troll like you.
They just don’t want to get their asses sued for free software
How come the other distros don’t seem to care? Does it just come down to them being based in the US?. They can’t be the only distro mainly based in the US, can they? VLC would not play ANYTHING. That was installed from RPMFusion in Fedora Kinoite 39. But even IF it were to work, this whole RPMFusion thing is ridiculous. If I had to install a bunch of codecs and drivers from the AUR I would say the same about Arch. That would absolutely kill the distro for me.
i probably just wasted my time on a brainless troll like you.
Hard to argue with that ;)
What sucks exactly with TW? For me it is Arch in easy mode 😂
Eh, just my personal opinion. I tried it once and didn’t like it. But I can admit that is similar to me saying “Gnome sucks”. It’s obviously a matter of personal opinion.
I see
For me, KDE sucks 🤭
extremely, unfathomably slow updates.
🤔 never had that issue on my TW machines
It’s an issue with zypper, if you ever updated your device, you did encounter it. Maybe you have never seen how fast Arch updates are in comparison.
Well my arch machine, I update using yay, and speed it takes differs depending on how long I haven’t use that PC. On my TW PC I don’t know the time it needs, since it does it automatically when I turn off the PC…
Meanwhile flatpack: (unverified)
They specifically only added the repo with verified apps
flatpak remote-add flathub-verified --subset=verified https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
Flathub doesn’t have the apps i need from AUR.
If an AUR package wants to install 137 python dependencies, I usually search for a flatpak instead.
Why is this the case? Have I been installing stuff wrong my entire life?
Beside what @[email protected] wrote:
- If the package wants to install an awful amount of dependencies it means those dependencies are only used by that package on my system. Flatpaks contains all dependencies, so the required disk space would be similar to the flatpak.
- My feeling is flatpak install time is quicker in this case, to install 1 flatpak vs 138 AUR packages. I never measured it though.
- I only do this if an insane amount of dependencies needed. Some dependencies are normal, if more than 50 than I think AUR is not an ideal way to distribute a software, or also include a
-binpackage. - If no flatpak available I still install the 137 dependencies, so nothing wrong with that, it’s simply the way I like to manage my system.
@pineapplelover @infeeeee No, some people just don’t want to install tons of packages just for an application they want to use to. The more package means the higher chance for system breakage. It’s better checking dependencies and pkgbuild before install
Yeah but I thought if I installed it through AUR natively then it would be better since if other programs need those same dependencies, I wouldn’t have to install them again.
Personally i like chaotic-aur because it’s already pre compiled
The only aur packages on my is system is stacer-bin (the only cleaner i trust other than bleachbit)Stacer for the win!
You can remove dependencies after install, at least in yay, I never do tho.
That’s install dependencies (in PKGBUILD they are called
makedepends), python programs usually need them for runtime (dependsin PKGBUILD). On the main page of a package they are listed together, but on the PKGBUILD they are separate😁 I know (well that about two types of dependencies)
That python dependency seem more a upstream issue, not a AUR issue, isn’t it? I mean, if I install the same app from another source, it still needs those dependencies, isn’t it?
I just hate snaps lol
I don’t care about flatpaks, overlays have everything
What is “overlays”? You can overlay packages with various package managers from many repos on many distros
I have just had bad experiences with flatpack so I don’t want to use it and the aur has the stuff I need and flatpack dose not
I’ve had nothing but good experiences with Flatpaks/Flathub and bad experiences with AUR/nixpkgs.
Fedora also has it’s own Flatpak repo now with it’s own runtime.
haha also nix… because I horde dependencies.
