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There is an interesting study (May 2024), also linked in the article: When Online Content Disappears
Historians of the future may struggle to understand fully how we lived our lives in the early 21st Century. That’s because of a potentially history-deleting combination of how we live our lives digitally – and a paucity of official efforts to archive the world’s information as it’s produced these days.
However, an informal group of organisations are pushing back against the forces of digital entropy – many of them operated by volunteers with little institutional support. None is more synonymous with the fight to save the web than the Internet Archive, an American non-profit based in San Francisco, started in 1996 as a passion project by internet pioneer Brewster Kahl. The organisation has embarked what may be the most ambitious digital archiving project of all time, gathering 866 billion web pages, 44 million books, 10.6 million videos of films and television programmes and more. Housed in a handful of data centres scattered across the world, the collections of the Internet Archive and a few similar groups are the only things standing in the way of digital oblivion.
“The risks are manifold. Not just that technology may fail, but that certainly happens. But more important, that institutions fail, or companies go out of business. News organisations are gobbled up by other news organisations, or more and more frequently, they’re shut down,” says Mark Graham, director of the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, a tool that collects and stores snapshots of websites for posterity. There are numerous incentives to put content online, he says, but there’s little pushing companies to maintain it over the long term.
Despite the Internet Archive’s achievements thus far, the organisation and others like it face financial threats, technical challenges, cyberattacks and legal battles from businesses who dislike the idea of freely available copies of their intellectual property. And as recent court losses show, the project of saving the internet could be just as fleeting as the content it’s trying to protect.
“More and more of our intellectual endeavours, more of our entertainment, more of our news, and more of our conversations exist only in a digital environment,” Graham says. “That environment is inherently fragile.”
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No
Not when they’re bound by the DMCA
Never heard of the snapshot feature have ya?
I’ve got terabytes of things archived, still there.
They can all be DMCAd and gone by tomorrow.
I don’t even have an account silly. Think I’m stupid enough to do that?
They can all be DMCAd and gone by tomorrow.
Snapshot feature. Apparently you’re not familiar with it.
are you alright dude? have you never heard of DMCA?
They’d have to find my archives first, absolutely none of them are on the frontend. I don’t use the archive in any normal manner, and the links are effectively randomized so there’s no chance of just guessing any of my links.
I’ve been doing it for years and they haven’t pulled anything down yet.
Alright I’ll bite. What am I missing.
Look towards the bottom of the page, ‘Save Page Now’
I wonder for much of that 25% vanished are pages that are “retail”…. Although I guess it’s like having an old sears catalog around to document prices.(?). My old Tripod pages from my high school reunion in 2001 are still alive!
For real? Haha that’s awesome. My angelfire ones are all gone
Yes!!! I thought about it the other week and searched, they are all still there!
Wish there was an archival program with like government level funding or something thats immune to DMCA, because everythings being lost so fast. History is very important!
Why should we care? Never in our history have we chronicled all the mundane things like we find on the internet. It’s like saying we need to archive all the kids drawings or all the personal journals or record all in person conversations and archive them… Just because it’s digital data that can be archived if we feel like it doesn’t mean it’s important.
Not enough of the mundane has been preserved throughout human history, it continues to be a big problem for historians. Especially when they only have major - likely very coloured or outright lies - official records of events and cultural touchstones to go on.
Why do you think we get so incredibly excited when we uncover something as mundane as the pricing artwork on an ancient Roman food stall? Because that stuff wasn’t preserved, nobody bothered to record such details, so much is lost because nobody thinks their place in history matters enough to bother saving it.
We’ve reached a point in our development where we now have the ability to preserve snapshots of our civilisation in great detail, with extreme ease. We owe it to ourselves and especially to future generations to do so.
That preservation comes at a cost though, both monetary and environmental, and the amount of data to preserve increases exponentially.
There are really great WriteOnceReadOnlyAfterMemory solutions that hold mind blowing amounts of data without the need of being powered 😁 like glass and laser for example.
This was an underlying plot point in Metal Gear Solid 2.
There’s a few things going on. At first blush, I agree with you. The vast majority of that stuff doesn’t need to be captured.
But if you don’t capture everything, how do you know you got the stuff that will be important or wanted in the future?
Also, historians are going to find that data to be an absolute gold mine. Unfortunately, a lot of it is in the form of video now and takes a ton of storage space.
I think, in the end, most people are not willing to pay the price to archive everything. But some are, and they’re doing it.
It reminds me of that Black Mirror episode where people have memory chips to allow them to relive everything they’ve ever lived.
